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DBSTalk Exclusive First Look: HR44-700 Genie

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Scott Kocourek, Jan 8, 2013.

  1. cypherx

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    What kinda irks me about the SolidSignal approach is the huge upfront cost with the net result of not owning it.

    You can buy an iPhone 5 or equivalent smart phone for $200 with a new contract through a cell phone provider. Whether or not you fulfill your 2 year contract, you do not have to return the phone!

    But we're speculating that an HR44 may cost as much as $400 through a retailer like SolidSignal.... But yet you still don't own it. Sure you can ONLY use it with DirecTV, but who's to say you move and can't get DirecTV? It should be your equipment, provided you lived out your contract or paid the difference in ETF. Then even if you don't need it anymore, as owner you could sell it to someone else.

    The smartphone / cell provider is a good analogy because there are still contracts involved because the provider subsidizes part of the cost. Performance wise, a new iPhone or Android runs circles around any TV provider (Dish, Direct, fiber, iptv, etc). Thousands of apps, fluid UI response, video and H.264 decoding / encoding, etc... Yet it's only $200 on contract which in my opinion would be more than fair to buy (within contract) a subsidized satellite reciever.
     
  2. Stuart Sweet

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    cypherx, it's not just third parties... if you were to try to get the same product from DIRECTV they would charge you the same price* and it would still not be owned.

    *Of course, if you do qualify for a DVR at a reduced price because of your history you'll get it cheaper.

    The leasing approach benefits a lot of folks who want reduced price equipment and have no interest in reselling it after a few years. Also if you truly move somewhere that you can't get DIRECTV, there are ways of getting out of your contract on those grounds.

    Yes, cell phone companies also carrier lock their equipment, also offer it for a reduced price and you get an owned piece of equipment at the end. In the past, cell phones were considered largely valueless after two years due to improvements in technology. The iPhone changed that, and it wouldn't surprise me if the carriers adopted a lease model in the future.

    As for true purchase options, there are still ways it can be done. If you fail a credit check for example you may be given the option to purchase the equipment at roughly 3x the lease rate.
     
  3. Rich

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    In that link it says the HDD will have to be reformatted to be put on a different HR. That's not true. You can (and I have) switch the HDD to another HR and all you have to do (and you don't really have to do this) is delete the recordings. That keeps the Series Links in place and they will be used by the new HR.

    I've never done this, but I think you'd be able to retain the old content and switch back to the older HR that you took the external off and it would play what it recorded. Kinda messy way to watch recordings, but I think it would work. I will try this someday.

    Rich
     
  4. veryoldschool

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    This has been around from the day they changed to the leased model.
    Would you rather pay twice as much? For some this might be a way to go, but then resale might put you back to where you are now. :shrug:
     
  5. Steve

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    At least you stand a chance of getting a credit from DirecTV towards that cost, if your account history warrants it and you speak to a sympathetic CSR.

    Verizon, in my area, has no upfront charge for their DVRs, but they nail you for a $17/month charge, $11 more per month than DirecTV... for as long as you're a customer! I used at least 4 DVRs on my DirecTV account from 2004-2012. In today's dollars, that would amount to 9 years of $11 more per DVR/month, or almost $1200 per DVR!
     
  6. cypherx

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    Well that helps put it into perspective!

    I guess why I brought this up is that it seems the only sure way to get an HR44 is through a 3rd party. I know many people call DirecTV and can sometimes work out deals, extend contracts or whatever (and I'm more than happy to do so...). I read a thread on here where everyone was basically posting what kind of price or deal they were able to upgrade to a Genie for. That's all well and good, but when this comes out you are playing a game of chance to see if an HR34 or HR44 arrives.

    Plus I'm sure there's NO negotiating with SolidSignal (or any other 3rd party if there is one). At least DirecTV can look at acct history and renew contract or whatever.

    Heck I'd be willing to sign a longer contract for a reduced up front cost. Seems like some good HD channels has been added (and continue to be added) and that was my main gripe with DirecTV. I'm happy enough to stick with them seeing the improvements that have been made since I first signed up in September 2010.
     
  7. Steve

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    What you could do is see if a CSR offers you a "deal" on a Genie. Then when you're told s/he can't guarantee if you'll get an HR34 or HR44, ask if you buy one from Solid Signal, can they instead give you an equivalent credit to the deal they just offered you?
     
  8. Richierich

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    I have done that and it worked for me. :D
     
  9. inazsully

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    I can't imagine anybody. especially here, not being interested in a faster UI. When you think about it, why develop a new DVR in the first place? Why bring out the 44 so soon after the 34? Like you said, it's pretty much the same except for a few tweaks. Why not incorporate the things you like in say the Hopper, discard the things you don't care for (commercial hop maybe), ad your own innovations and build the best of both worlds? I mean you're going to the trouble and expense of developing a new machine anyway, right? Who wouldn't want faster? Who wouldn't want the ability to piggy back an external hard drive? Why go iSATA instead of USB? You ask if I'm one of those that JUST MUST HAVE the latest and greatest. Of course I am, maybe not MUST HAVE but certainly WANT, aren't we all? Who wants the second best and second greatest? I guess I'm saying that while they had the chance, why didn't they go ahead build the latest and greatest. Cost? It doesn't seem to be the case. Generally the only time you come out with an improved product is to stay ahead of the competition. Get new business and sway customers away from them. Do you want to challenge them of kick their ass?
     
  10. sangs

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    As a FiOS customer I agree that the monthly DVR cost is high. But let's not forget the monthly $20 "Advanced Receiver Fee" - or whatever it is that Directv calls it. (Yes, I'm aware you can get it cut in half by signing up for Auto-Billing.) FiOS doesn't have that. And if you were fortunate enough to get in during the FiOS "Free Multi-Room DVR for Life" promo, you pay nothing for one FiOS DVR at all. Also, a regular FiOS HD STB is $6.99 a month, similar to Directv's $6 mirror charge for an additional C31 or H25 - or whatever the other STB is.
     
  11. hdtvfan0001

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    While the HR34 and HR44 are built upon the same base concept and foundation....to answer your long list of questions...there is mostly one base answer - they serve slightly different purposes/needs.

    The most pronounced "unique" item with the HR44 is the wireless support.

    Both run the genie UI, have DECA inside, and both have 5 tuners. Etc.

    As for them being available within about a year of each other:

    The HR44 is not even out yet...and while the HR34 and HR44 units may be considered relatively close in their public release, their development launches were much further apart in timing.

    Since the first HD DVR was released about September 2006 - numerous new models (some of them in the same year) have been released. So that part is not anything new.

    Each new device is launched based on a purpose. The purpose could be business driven, technology-driven or both. There will always be "something new" around the corner.

    The HR44 is simply the latest HD DVR. That title only holds up for a limited time.
     
  12. RAD

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    Lots of questions there. Since I don't work for DIRECTV I don't have the answers. But guessing one reason might be that since the HR34 was orinally designed there have been advancements in the parts that make up the box. That's like saying why develop a new iPad or PC, they're pretty much the same as the prior model?

    You also mention why not copy features from the Hopper? What you might think is a must have others might disagree. I've seen recent converts say they miss things from DIRECTV like the search, DIRECTV on Demand and a text base guide vs. icons which are hard to see on smaller TV's.
     
  13. inazsully

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    Your last paragraph really skirts my question. I don't think anything is a must but more speed is certainly a desired feature that no one would disagree with. I've been a "D" user since way before the HR20 so I've seen many wish for a EHD that can work with the internal hard drive of "D"'s DVR's. I said copy features from the competition but I also said utilize your own innovative technologies, like the "search" which was abandoned. I'm just asking questions that maybe you don't have the answers for but maybe somebody does. The ability to have 5 tuners, faster UIs, 2TB hard drives, video streaming etc, is available right now. Just not being implemented. I'm not trying to start a confrontation, just a conversation.
     
  14. Bajanjack

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    My HR24-500 hard drive has died...long story short-they are shipping me an HR44!!
     
  15. Bajanjack

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    real basic questions: I'm replacing my dead HR24-500 with the HR44 when it arrives...I have capacity with my swm 16-is it as simple as pulling the HR24 out and simply plugging in the same connections to the HR44?...........also, I had someone program macros into a universal remote for my receiver, tv, dvr etc...the signal from the remote goes to a box through rf which is wired to each device so they are using IR....does the remote have to be reprogrammed?
     
  16. Groundhog45

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    You can add an external hard drive with any of the DVRs. It replaces the internal drive, doesn't add to the internal storage.
     
  17. dsw2112

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    I'm quite certain you're not getting an HR44.
     
  18. Mike Bertelson

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    IF you receive an HR44 (and it’s likely a big IF), you can simply disconnect your HR24 and connect the HR44.

    For the remote, all you’ll need to do is ensure the replacement DVR is using the same IR code set (there are eight). You will not have to reprogram the remote.

    This will apply to any DVR you receive as a replacement regardless of model.

    Mike
     
  19. Bajanjack

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    Well...the CSR in the retention group told me I definitely was (and she was jealous-haha)..she said she could tell it was the HR44 because an external connection called for with the HR34 is now internal in the HR44 and since it wasn't part of the order it would be the HR44....in any event they told me 3-5 days to receive the drop shipment and I'll post back as to what I got! I sure hope you are wrong!!
     
  20. RunnerFL

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    There's nothing external required on an HR34. She fed you a line...

    She's probably thinking of the DECA modules that are external to the HR20 through HR23 that the HR24 doesn't require.
     

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