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DBSTalk Exclusive First Look: HR44-700 Genie

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Scott Kocourek, Jan 8, 2013.

  1. alcatholic

    alcatholic Cool Member

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    I agree. The external power supply should improve longevity. And going esata should help too, if for no other reason you could periodically swap out the esata drive after cloning the data onto a new drive.

    Are there any educated guesses how big an esata hard drive the HR44 would support?

    Thank you!
     
  2. RunnerFL

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    As big as you can get or build via RAID. Only the HR2X's have the 2TB limit.
     
  3. top_speed

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    Okay, I'm corn-fused a bit. Why would you want to "periodically" swap out your drive? I get the larger capacity upgrade deal but I am lost on this periodic swap out thingy :confused:

    Plus I think (my now capacity of 3TB) well out serves the DVR lifespan (with me upgrading DVR's about every 2 years or so). *IF* the drive could be married to your new DVR then that may be another story. For me, I cannot catch-up on all the things now so archiving is the name of the game. Problem is long(er) term archiving is basically thrown out of the game for us 2-3 year upgrader customers.
     
  4. Rich

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    I don't get it either unless someone fills a drive up and saves it in the hope the HR it was recorded on will last long enough for "archiving" thru filling up drives and then swapping them back and forth.

    I'm not really sure how long the 24s will last. I've got 9 of them and they seem pretty stable. I've also got three 20-700s that show no sign of dying. I'll probably never get over my distrust of the HRs, but I have to admit everything looks pretty good right now. Much different than it was just a couple years ago. I still think sites such as NetFlix are a much better bet for archiving.

    Rich
     
  5. inazsully

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    My next door neighbor is getting a new Genie installed (switching from Dish). I just spoke to the installer and asked if they were getting a HR34 or an HR44 because I'm interested in switching also. He said he was installing a HR34 and that I if was interested in a Genie he suggested I wait for a week when they will begin installing the HR44 exclusively. He also said that the HR34 will no longer be serviced. I'm not sure exactly what he meant by that last statement but that's what he said. He was well aware of the differences between the HR34 and the HR44.This is in the Phoenix AZ area.
     
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  7. alcatholic

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    Sorry about the confusion. I only meant that to guard against hard drive failures, especially with external drives that don't always have the best longevity, one strategy I could use would be to get a new hard drive every 2 years or so.

    Of course, it would be smarter, although maybe more expensive to just setup RAID mirroring.

    Again, sorry about the confusion, and I admit that swapping out hard drives isn't really standard IT protocol to guard against hard drive failure.

    I'll probably just go with RAID mirroring.


    BTW, I don't upgrade my DVR's. Once we get an HR44, I'll likely live with it for as long as it lasts. So, all my thinking right now is about making sure I have the best setup for long term archiving of favorite movies and what not. My wife records like crazy and never wants to delete anything! :)

    Another update: After researching a bit more (this will be my first DVR with eSATA) it looks like there are WD drives engineered for reliability in DVRs: http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=150
     
  8. Rich

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    If you're gonna use an eSATA on a 44, and want to mirror the drive, RunnerFl has a nice setup and I think his RAID box only costs ~ $100. I don't think he's mirroring, just trying to see how much capacity the 34s have, but the box can be set to RAID 1.

    Archiving on an HR is a bit iffy, at best. If/when the HR goes south, you will still lose all your recordings, mirrored or not. The marriage between the HR and it's drives is still in place. Lose the HR, lose all the content recorded on the HDDs. A weakness that D* has yet to address.

    The WD EURS models are made specifically for DVRs.

    Rich
     
  9. RunnerFL

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    I was using the enclosure to mirror 2TB (RAID1) at first but when they lifted the 2TB limit on the HR34 I reconfigured it for 4TB(RAID0) for the space.
     
  10. alcatholic

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    What kind of failures do DVRs like the HR34/44 experience?

    I ask because my R15 failed last December after about 3-4 years from a hard drive failure. At least I think it was a hard drive failure. It got replaced by an R16.

    So I'm thinking with an HR44 external hard drive and external power supply there might be a good chance the HR44 itself would last a long time. Heck it even has two remote control interfaces, if I'm not mistaken. A power supply or remote control failure is recoverable and a hard drive failure is theoretically preventable.

    I understand D* will likely always marry external drives to the HR. Anyway, it just seems like the HR44 makes investing in long term storage setups more likely to be worth the time and expense.

    Thanks for all the info and feedback.
     
  11. Rich

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    Don't have either one, but if they're like the other HRs, it could be anything. Usually (at least in my experience) it's not the HDDs that fail, it's the HRs themselves for all kinds of reasons

    See what I mean? That R15 could have failed for a variety of reasons and yet the HDD gets the blame.

    I don't think anyone here will be able to tell you how long an HR will last. I've still got three 20-700s that run quite well and they date back to 2007. I've had 20-100s, 21-100s and a 22-100 and none worked. The 22-100 did work for a week. So, I've got a bias against any HR ending in 100. But, now I have three 24-100s that work very well. Go figure.

    Hmm, if you don't care about expense, I've got a way to do it so you can actually archive content. Still not foolproof, but pretty close.

    Rich
     
  12. dpeters11

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    My first 34 had a bad fan, at least I believe so. It kept overheating, the one I have now in the exact same place has never had an issue.
     
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    After reading through this thread, there doesn't seem to be a definitive answer to whether or not the clients are wireless, or just the connection to the network. Can anyone shed some light?
     
  14. Supramom2000

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    Currently, there are no wireless clients. Just a wireless network.
     
  15. Scott Kocourek

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    The clients are not wireless. The HR44 can connect to your home network via built in wireless, clients connect to the network via coax.

    There has been rumor of wireless clients but so far it's just a rumor.
     
  16. alcatholic

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    Sounds like my kind of project. I'll send you a PM.

    Thank you!
     
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    The old RC6XXX series remotes work fine with the C31.
     
  19. maerativo

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    I've been trying to figure out how to archive my content for awhile now. I'm planning to upgrade to a HR44 soon. Sounds great!:) I'll PM you.
     
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    top_speed

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    A few comments were made about the 44 possibly being installed at the end of the Month (Feb). Well that has come n gone so I'm just wondering if anyone has one installed yet?
     

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