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DBSTalk Exclusive First Look: The Wireless Genie Client C41W-100 & Wireless Video Bridge

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Scott Kocourek, Jul 14, 2013.

  1. Jul 20, 2013 #81 of 233
    chevyguy559

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    Thanks for the feedback....I don't have a Genie yet, I've actually been waiting for this feature to add the Genie. 1.5 seconds is not too bad and what I would probably do is just mute the TV on delay and use the audio from the main TV (as it goes through my HT setup)....for Super Bowl I tried one TV on OTA and one with my HR22 and they were 7 or 8 seconds off LOL This sounds like it would work much better, not to mention I'd be able to move a portable TV out by the pool in the summertime :) Thanks again for the feedback!
     
  2. Jul 21, 2013 #82 of 233
    samrs

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    I had to pick some up Friday so Dynamic Dispatch wouldn't catch me short. They are available in the test markets.
     
  3. Jul 21, 2013 #83 of 233
    Getteau

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    Unless I am misunderstanding this setup, the WVB is basically a client of the Genie. In my house, I have a mixture of all the various HR’s and my whole home is done via unsupported Ethernet, not DECA. So if the Ethernet port is disabled, how do I get it connected to my whole home setup (short of going out and buying a bunch of DECA’s and a whole home Internet kit)?

    Now, I also have probably 20 things connected to Ethernet in my house. So your typical Internet router provided by the various companies doesn’t have enough ports for me. In my setup, I have several Ethernet switches that are used to build my network and those connect to one of the ports on my cable modem. I don't do it today, but with the way my house is wired, I could also put all my my DTV stuff on their own switch. In that setup, all the HR to HR communications is local to a single switch and that switch would have a single uplink to my Internet router. However, that uplink would only be required if I wanted to do Internet based things on my DTV boxes (which I do today for on demand and APPS).

    So that’s why I would want to use Ethernet for this setup and not COAX.
     
  4. Jul 21, 2013 #84 of 233
    Mike Bertelson

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    It isn’t “basically a client of the Genie”; it’s exactly a Genie client.

    To be specific, the C41W-100 and WVB makeup a wireless Genie client. That’s its only job and that means it needs a SWiM setup...which is required for a Genie. Ya can’t have a Genie with SWiM.

    IOW, this setup isn’t intended to be a wireless bridge for all the HRs in a setup.

    Mike
     
  5. Jul 21, 2013 #85 of 233
    HoTat2

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    Oh, didn't know that; :)

    I always thought its devices with IP addresses like the C41W connected to a server on a network are considered the actual "clients" of that server. Whereas the intervening WVB as a wireless bridge which doesn't have an IP address is pretty much transparent to the dialog between the Genie and C41W.

    But whatever the case, do you know the actual procedure for enabling the ethernet port on the WVB? Lugnutathome stated it could be done back in his post #59;

    http://www.dbstalk.com/topic/206417-dbstalk-exclusive-first-look-the-wireless-genie-client-c41w-100-wireless-video-bridge/?p=3159122

    But didn't list any specifics ...
     
  6. Jul 21, 2013 #86 of 233
    lugnutathome

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    I get why you wish to use your LAN. I wired my home for both coax and Cat networking when I moved in. At the time the idea of using coax for Ethernet traffic wasn't known to me. I was pretty skeptical when DECA was brought up as the standard. Over time I've moved onto DECA and though my sheer volume of service devices and sheer footage of cable exceeds an acceptable DECA signal strength for all of my devices, I do run a good portion of my equipment on DECA and bridge over to my LAN through the CCK for the rest. Its transparent and it should be, in either transport layer it's Ethernet. Really the issue becomes vendor supportability.

    Earlier in this subject I posted that the LAN port can be made active and indicated how it could be done was hinted at. You would need to be able to identify its IP address on your network and go into the setup interface (just like your router's) Fact is doing that requires enough of a DECA infrastructure must be in place to get into the WVB's setup interface and really if you got that? Why would you need to convert something already functioning (and vendor supported) and convert it to another? I would consider that to be the argument others are trying to bring forth.

    As Mike pointed out above you would need SWM just to have the Genie. Now I think you could use the Genie's LAN port, isolate its coax line so it routes to the WVB and then a band stop filter (or properly leveraged and terminated diplexer) before connecting to the SWM port or splitter creating a mini DECA cloud on that one line and use your LAN for all else. Yes there are ways. But they become complicated one-off workarounds not conducive to a mass market one-size fits all service organization.

    At any rate it is possible to do what you suggest but I believe given the LAN services set up on the Genie itself and its always on DECA services on the coax side one could build a min DECA cloud between the just the GENIE and the WVB and still use their home LAN as their Whole Home fabric.

    Don "at least that what the voices say to me at the moment" Bolton
     
  7. Jul 21, 2013 #87 of 233
    lugnutathome

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    The WBV is a device on your network and as such has its own network address. Like your router, CCK, or other such network devices there is a setup and admin interface accessible by typing in its IP on your browser of choice. If you do not know how to locate the device's IP or are not familiar with setup interfacing and their default passwords I would encourage you to go no further :grin:

    If you can via coax connect see the devices IP in your network tools, (which you would need to do to flip the port utilization to CatX) it should be just fine as is. No need to change should work wonderfully.

    Don "I stated it can be done as an honest answer, I further state it really shouldn't be done" Bolton

     
  8. Jul 21, 2013 #88 of 233
    inkahauts

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    Do you hav a genie now? If not no point.

    If you do and your still running unsupported I hope you have a bsf set up to block the genies deca signal so it doesnt hurt the other Units. And in that cAse I'd just put the wvb between the genie and the bsf and you'd be set. Forget Ethernet for a c41w. I forsee lots of issues down the road if you tried. Lots. It's not worth trying to do it. There's plenty of easy ways to make it happen with coax even on a system driven generally by Ethernet. ;)

    What exactly do you have in your system now anyway?
     
  9. Jul 21, 2013 #89 of 233
    Getteau

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    Right now, I have all of my HR's connected via Ethernet back to my home LAN. They are all running static IP's that I setup along time ago. From a dish perspective, I am running a slimline to a SWM 16 with two 8 port splitters. Everything is green stickered. The SMW 16 is new in the past few months because my SWM 8 died and I needed to fix it. At the time I was running a hybrid SWM 8 and a Zinwell. I had to install the hybrid setup when I moved into my house a few years ago because I had an active R15 and an RCA DRD 480 which required the Zinwell. Unfortunately, I also had a room that only had one coax and there was no way to get another one over there. Hence both setup's. Now that my Zinwell is gone and I have everything connected to the 16, I've thought about going down the supported MRV route. However, I've been cheap to go out and buy all the DECA's.

    That's good to know about the BSF on the 44. I've been waiting for the 44's to come to Houston so I can get rid of one of my HR21's. I was hoping the 44 would act like the 24 and would automatically turn off the DECA on the coax side if anything was connected to the Ethernet port. I'll make sure I tell the installer to put a BSF in when he installs the 44.
     
  10. Jul 21, 2013 #90 of 233
    deedee6259

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    Does anybody have an idea about how much this is going to cost?
    Sounds like this will work for my patio.
     
  11. Jul 21, 2013 #91 of 233
    peds48

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    Right, but it should not be available to the "general public" only to those who are on the test markets
     
  12. Jul 21, 2013 #92 of 233
    tpm1999

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    Still confused on how one goes about ordering it if you actually are in the test area (I am). Calling directv front line csr (per the website) wont get you anywhere.
     
  13. Jul 21, 2013 #93 of 233
    Soccernut

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    I have a HR44 and HR24, SWM 8. Can I add one of these wireless clients without updating the hardware? I was upgraded from a R22 that used two cables, the extra cable is wired to the splitter, can I use it for the client router?
     
  14. Jul 21, 2013 #94 of 233
    peds48

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    Sure all that is required is a Genie. the WVB can go inline with any recevier/client, it does not necessarily needs a dedicated cable.
     
  15. Jul 21, 2013 #95 of 233
    Soccernut

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    Got it, thanks.
     
  16. Jul 21, 2013 #96 of 233
    HoTat2

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    But it certainly can be used in a single ended coax configuration if desired of course.

    Thus the optional screw on terminating cap for the output coax connector on the WVB.
     
  17. Jul 21, 2013 #97 of 233
    peds48

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    thus why I said "it does not necessarily needs a dedicated cable."
     
  18. Jul 21, 2013 #98 of 233
    HoTat2

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    Oh I was aware of that qualification to your statement'

    I just wanted to be sure the questioner understood in case he still wanted to use that available cable in a single ended configuration for the WVB.
     
  19. Jul 21, 2013 #99 of 233
    wco81

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    Any interference with Wireless N networks?
     
  20. NR4P

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    None that I know of. The WVB searches for open channels before locking on one. So it coexists fine.
     

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