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DBSTalk First Look: HR21-700

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Earl Bonovich, Oct 16, 2007.

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  1. daniellee

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    To expand on Mark’s post…

    Could it be (as Mark suggests) that the ethernet setup in the HR21 (and HR20-600??) is in fact an ethernet switch that has not been fully enabled in the software (2nd external port currently disabled). For instance a 3 port switch with the 1st external port being used as the uplink/cascade port, the 2nd external port currently disabled, and a 3rd internal port hardwired for use by the HR21. This would allow the 2nd external port to eventually act as a “pass-through” as suggested in the First Look write-up and would explain the existence of this mysterious rudimentary 2nd external port that has puzzled so many of us.

    Does anyone have more info on this?
     
  2. Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

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    I'm pretty sure that (1) the HR20-100 does not have the right hardware chip to do this at all and (2) there are only 2 external ports .. one is uplink and the other is used to daisy-chain to another device. The third, I assume, is internal to the HR21. Based on the chip specs, there are 2 additional ports, but I don't believe there is any hardware to access these ports making them useless.

    The concept is great in my mind, in fact, If I had two of these boxes (instead of the two HR20s), I could daisy from my man network center to the first HR21 then to the second HR21 and then to my slingbox. I would no longer have a need for the 4-port switch that I have sitting with my TV & HR20s.
     
  3. cartrivision

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    Using the input button to switch to your TV's OTA tuner is an incomplete solution. It leaves you without the ability to use the DVR features when watching OTA channels. The HR20's inclusion of OTA tuners is a valuable feature that gives the customer the ability to view and record OTA channels that will never be provided via the satellite input on the DVR. I'm not against making lower cost models without OTA tuners, but it would be a mistake to stop offering models with OTA tuners for the people who can still make good use of it.
     
  4. cartrivision

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    The PDF format is nice, as it allows the "first look" to be save as a single file, but I wish that there was some way that we could also get the larger higher resolution pictures that we got with the previous first look reviews.
     
  5. Twister18

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    Thank you for the reviews.
     
  6. LameLefty

    LameLefty I used to be a rocket scientist

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    I got my first computer in 1980. :)
     
  7. rahlquist

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    We all have bad days Earl, I hope your evening gets better.

    As for the drive information yes I was/am aware of the PATA Tivo setup, my hacked series 2 unit is still in the garage, they are nice devices but I have to say other than a few very minor quirks I like my hr20 better.

    As for their investigations, how about we suggest to them a flash based boot device and use the hard drive purely for storage of guides and data, and mount the HD in a carrier thats end user replaceable. Some more pipe dreams but you never know :)
     
  8. LameLefty

    LameLefty I used to be a rocket scientist

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    How 'bout for our help field testing this thing? :)
     
  9. hdtvfan0001

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    This was something we looked at - making larger pictures, but the overall piece would have been twice the size and in the end, scaled back a bit.

    We'll look into the possibility of getting them out in a larger size here somehow.
     
  10. rahlquist

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    I got mine(Atari 400) in 82 when I was 11, by 83 I was hand etching PC boards for the bank switching memory upgrades that folks did to the 800xl. It was quite a time. I can still remember installing a 5MB MFM hard drive in my neighbors BBS ahh now I feel old....
     
  11. rahlquist

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    Why not post them to a torrent, I am sure a few folks around here could help...
     
  12. hdtvfan0001

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    It's not a matter of the "how", its a matter of the proper watermarked versions in a bigger size...logistics on our end...we're looking into it...
     
  13. P Smith

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    Yeah, that was DEC-11 or IBM 360. :)
     
  14. LameLefty

    LameLefty I used to be a rocket scientist

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    Mine was a Sinclair ZX-81 in late 1980 (IIRC - it may have been in early '81). I was 12. That was followed by an Atari 400, 410 Program Recorder, Atari BASIC and Atari LOGO carts in about '82. I got the 800 in '84, plus 1010 disk drive. In '86 I bought a 1040ST which held me until around '91 when I bought a 386DX/40 clone (AMD chip, which was why it was a 40 instead of a 33). I stuck with PCs (Win3.x, Win9x and XP) until '02 when I went Mac for my personal use. And as they say, once you go Mac, you never go back. ;) :lol: Still manage 3 PCs at home plus a dozen or so at work though.

    Thanks to the beauty of ebay, however, I have a complete collection of all my 8-bits again, plus a bunch I never owned (most of the XL's for instance, plus a couple Commodores), and a bunch of peripherals, all in working order. Someday I'll have room to set them all up. :)
     
  15. Doug Brott

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    :backtotop
     
  16. houskamp

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    Here's food for thought: I find it interesting that the main board has a spot for 2 more tuners.. maybe a future version? If you never intended to offer something again why waste the space (and layout time)?
     
  17. Earl Bonovich

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    Actually... this is pretty much how it is today....
    It is just the live buffering that "throws" a wrench into it from the "caddy" point of view.
     
  18. mtnsackett

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    thank you for continuing to give more and better info on future Equipment then D* engeneers. any info on the HR Pro rack mount?
     
  19. bhelton71

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    This may be a dumb question. I noticed in the photos that BBC's were shipped with it - I am assuming the connection being used is swm. Seems like you could get further cost reduction by integrating the bbc functions into the tuner - I am sure its only a couple of dollars but that would add up on a big run - so I am curious why they didn't. Would it interfere with the swm function ?
     
  20. Earl Bonovich

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    Yes...

    It isn't available yet... but is going to be a production item (unlike the HR20P)
     
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