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DBSTalk First Look: HR21-700

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Earl Bonovich, Oct 16, 2007.

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  1. houskamp

    houskamp New Member

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    I think what he was saying is they don't have that part ready yet so at the current time it's all or nothing...
     
  2. Earl Bonovich

    Earl Bonovich Lifetime Achiever

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    Well you need to look again... as there have been times I have disagreed with what they have done. But for the most part, I do agree with what they have done... and if explain why things are the way they are... is defensive... well.. then I guess I am going to be defensive for a long time...

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    If you understand the issues around the eSATA and using multiple drives in a system like that....

    I guess they could have just turned of the eSATA until they were ready to implement it without having to "disable" the internal drive.

    But then again... gosh forbid they turn that on, and that is the way it is..

    But hey... I guess that would be defensive, explaining how it works... and why they are doing what they are doing today...
     
  3. Earl Bonovich

    Earl Bonovich Lifetime Achiever

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    Close... but...

    It is just that using both drives at the same is not as easy or straightforward as it may seem on the surface... and we have had that debate many times before.... It is not really a "part"... but more of how are they going to implement it, and what is end-game usage going to be like.

    But I guess it doesn't really matter what the reasons are... if people don't like the way something is, regardless of the reason... they are still going to complain about it.
     
  4. spartanstew

    spartanstew Dry as a bone

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    Earl,

    People will also complain even if they like what they have. Especially if a company provides a product they don't need. How selfish of D* to produce a product that some individuals don't have a need for (regardless of the fact that there's other products that do meet their needs).
     
  5. RobertE

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    Correct because its a NON-ISSUE.

    If you want or need OTA then the H/HR20 line is for you. If not, then the H/HR21 line is for you.

    Why is it so hard for people to come to grips with the fact that both lines will be around at the same time. :confused:


    Has anyone seen my horse???


    Oh here he is. :beatdeadhorse:
     
  6. LameLefty

    LameLefty I used to be a rocket scientist

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    Sorry, but that's not correct. See, this is what's called a "strawman argument." You've taken what I wrote, misconstrued it (intentionally or by accident) and presented what you THINK or want others to think I actually wrote.

    I was being criticized for being positive about the HR21, the accusation being that since I got it free (now who told anyone what I pay for any of my equipment?), I must be biased. I responded that I am positive because unlike most, I've actually used this device and I have never used OTA antennas for digital TV and so I don't miss that feature.

    Nowhere in any of my posts have I indicated that OTA isn't important or shouldn't be important to anyone else.

    Clear enough for you now? :)
     
  7. say-what

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    Believe me, I was skeptical of the lack of OTA when I started testing the HR21. So much so that I paired it with my H20 so that I would have OTA in the room. But it wasn't long before I realized that I didn't really use OTA that much in the room where it was setup and I deactivated and returned the H20.

    Realistically, there are many subscribers who don't need or want OTA and many uses that don't require OTA. My parents live in an area where it's useless to even try an outdoor antenna and even if they could, they don't want an OTA antenna. Also, for many people needing a secondary unit, the lack of OTA will not be an issue.

    I have nothing to gain in defending the lack of OTA and nothing to lose by criticising the lack of OTA - I was asked to participate in a field test for a new piece of equipment that happened to lack OTA and provide feedback and that's what I did. My thoughts on the lack of OTA have everything to do with my actual usage and understanding of other situations where OTA is not a requirement for a DirecTV receiver and constitute my honest opinion. Feel free to have a different opinion, but don't ever dare accuse me of not being honest in expressing my opinion.

    You need to keep an open mind with regard to these things. The HR21 is what it is and if you absolutely require OTA in your DirecTV receivers, then by all means stick with the HR20 and H20 as the 21 series is not for you.
     
  8. LameLefty

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    +1 :up:
     
  9. Ryan

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    Won't many areas be getting 'improved' OTA reception when the stations turn off analog, and can move their digital broadcast to better frequencies?

    I wouldn't give up the OTA option, so as long as the HR20 is available I guess that's fine.

    Can someone point me to a breakdown in the differences between the 20-100 & 20-700 units? Thanks...
     
  10. Jaysv

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    Yes, thank you.
     
  11. P Smith

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    Well you posting your question totally offtopic :(.

     
  12. mtnsackett

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    Sorry Earl I went back and read your post again ,yes you are correct I read the post and thought you were saying that all next gen IRDS would have the BBC built in, when I am wrong I will admit it. I don't know where you get all your info but I have found more here in the last year then D* realeses to their tech agents. almost seams like they think they would be dangerous with that info
     
  13. Jaysv

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    Today that does seem to be the case, let's hope it stays that way for the foreseeable future.
     
  14. alwayscool

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    If all you guys would just read my first post in this thread, all I said was that its was a WASTE OF MONEY for D* to develop this stripped down version of the HR20, instead of spending the money to make the HR20 function reliabily 100%. It still cannot record reliably 100% of the time, which is the MAIN FUNCTION of a dvr.

    Or am I wrong?
     
  15. TheRatPatrol

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    So those of us who don't want OTA can use the faster, better MPEG4 encoding HR21 while those of us who want OTA have to rely on the slower, sometimes unreliable HR20? :)

    An upgrade should include everything the old model had plus new things. And how are you saving costs if they're both $299?

    It interesting though, because I read somewhere online (here?) that the cable companys were coming out with a box with built in OTA tuners because some of them were being charged too much by local channels to carry their HD channels, or couldn't get access to them at all.

    So what happens when D* isn't able to get contracts to carry all of the OTA channels? Some will have to rely on OTA.
     
  16. say-what

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    Well, debating HR20 problems is way off topic for a HR21 First Look Thread. Anyway, to answer your question, not sure what problems you might be having, but between my 2 HR20's, they've missed one recording and that was way back in January - I think I'd classify mine as reliable. Now back to the topic at hand.
     
  17. spartanstew

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    Yes, you're wrong.

    How is the fact that they developed a piece of equipment that the MAJORITY of customers will use AND that costs less to manufacture a waste of money?

    From a purely business perspective, why would they want to spend money to make the HR20 better* when it has a feature (OTA) that 1.) most people don't even use and 2.) costs more to include?

    That's about as far from a waste of money as you can get.

    I'll reiterate. Don't go into business.



    *However, I'm glad they're still working on the HR20 as well and continue to improve it.
     
  18. spartanstew

    spartanstew Dry as a bone

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    They didn't upgrade anything. They created a new box for people with needs other than yours.

    An upgrade would be if this box had 1 TB of storage, a DVD burner inside, etc. It doesn't. It's functionally the same. It's not an upgrade.

    Would it have made you happy if they would have made this unit but used a louder fan then the HR20? Or a slower processor? Would that have pleased you?
     
  19. Koz

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    FWIW, the "faster" processor in the HR21 has not made a noticeable improvement (or change in any way, for that matter) in the performance of the box versus my HR20. Again, the HR21 is not an upgrade of the HR20. It's basically the HR20 without OTA.

    True, some of the components are newer. I suspect that's because they were able to integrate some of the chips to reduce the cost of both the materials (less parts) and assembly (again, less parts). But it hasn't changed performance.
     
  20. TheRatPatrol

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    How is it not an upgrade? Does it not have a faster processor, new MPEG4 encoders, new quieter fan which runs cooler? That to me is an upgrade. If its not, please correct if I'm wrong. :)

    I'm not trying to knock anything. I really like the HR20. I've only had it for 2 months and mine has been working flawless. I really like the ability of being able to integrate and record both OTA and satellite into one box. I do record and watch things from PBS, CW, and My Network. As of now, I can't do that with D* locals.

    Until D* gets all the locals up and running on the sats, OTA integration is a must.

    Again, no offense, I'm just trying to figure it all out. :)
     
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