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DBSTalk First Look: HR21-700

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Earl Bonovich, Oct 16, 2007.

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  1. KCCardsfan

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    http://dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=106644

    If my HR20 goes down & D* can't replace it with a OTA receiver it could be a deal breaker for me, my parents have DISH & the VIP622 and I would seriously consider switching. Not complaining or threatening, just thinking in print because I see no reason to go backwards in features, especially one I use daily.

    Just my thoughts.
     
  2. hdtvfan0001

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    Same here - 16 HR20's and 11 HR21's in stock at BB just yesterday.

    This is what we keep trying to tell folks - some just don't want to listen I guess. :rolleyes:

    As one who has both the HR21 and HR20 - I prefer the HR21 for all the reasons we've indicated in the First Look itself and supplimental posts. Again, there is a choice and everyone is covered with or without OTA.
     
  3. jayerndl

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    Apparently not. If you read the thread linked a few posts above you will see that even D* supervisors and retention people will not or cannot give a customer what he ordered (a HR20 with OTA). That customer certainly didn't have a choice unless you consider having to go "find" and purchase a HR20 from a retailer. This is exactly why I thought the HR21 was a bad idea. I didn't (and still don't) have faith in D* that they will continue to offer the HR20. Very few people have ever had much success with specifying an exact brand/model of STB. D* gives you what they think is equivelent, which in this case they think the HR21 is equivelent to the HR20.

    Jay
     
  4. gully_foyle

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    Lot of posts...mostly about OTA, which can be summed up as: fine for someone else, but keep making the HR20.

    But what else is there? The original review pointedly neglected software matters.

    Is there, someplace, a list of differences between, say HR20 x18a and HR10 x16d, or whatever? Or are there none? In particular:

    Does the HR21 do a better job of reformatting 16:9 HD (squeeze, stretch)?
    Does it do scaling better?
    Is native mode quicker and more reliable?
    Are channel changes quicker?
    Does the hardware's decoding bandwidth reduce the chances of dropouts?
    Are there any UI differences? Are they better?

    Or is just the same thing, without OTA?
     
  5. vandergraff

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    Will this also work with the two Ethernet Ports on the HR20-100?
     
  6. Michael D'Angelo

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    No, the 2nd port on the HR20-100 is not active.

    The HR21-700 has a two port network switch built in.
     
  7. wxman1969

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    Actually, my unit just upgraded to 0x16d Wed night. But I experienced my first technical glitch Thur night. Perhaps this has been documented or maybe it was just a fluke, but I was watching a recorded program and then paused it. After a minute of being paused I decided to go back to watching the baseball game so I hit the PREV button. It took me back to the game, but a few seconds later the screen froze but the audio continued. I tried several things to get it back going but nothing worked. The only thing I could do was hit the reset button. When it came back up the recorded program I was watching and had paused had been deleted from my playlist. Everything else was back to normal. Is this a known problem or just a fluke?
     
  8. houskamp

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    I don't see any real difference in mine...
     
  9. Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

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    ;) .. It's actually a 5-port switch, but only the two external and one internal ports are available for use .. there's no connector available for the other ports on the broadcom chip :). And of course, one of the external ports is an uplink while the other is a normal LAN port.
     
  10. Michael D'Angelo

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    Thanks for the correction Doug.
     
  11. hdtvfan0001

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    The choice not to discuss original firmware was intentional, not an oversight for several reasons:

    1) The base firmware that came with the unit was a base test version that had no basis for comparison to the HR20 anyway.

    2) We were aware there would be a number of interim updates

    3) Updates would be done over time, and any comparison would be inappropriate and pretty meaningless until it matured.

    4) The intent is to marry up the firmware in the near future to HR20-comparible features, so there will be no significant differences anyway.

    Based on all this - comparing apples to refrigerators made no sense, and so the firmware comparison was intentionally not done.
     
  12. Doug Brott

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    I think that this is the key point .. Ultimately, the two receiver types (HR21/HR20) will begin to look very much similar and the version numbers will very likely start to mean the same thing in terms of software features.
     
  13. TheRatPatrol

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    Unless those are just back stocks and once they're gone, they're gone.

    I think if you want an HR20 you better get them now before they're gone.
     
  14. hdtvfan0001

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    Just got back from Circuit City and Best Buy, as well as Costco (for other things). I was curious where things sat for inventories.

    Between the 3 locations, there were 67 HR21-700's, 16 HR20-700's, and 42 HR20-100's. Not even close to any shortages here. The Manager at BB told me "he can get all the HR20's" he wants from their warehouse.
     
  15. Dr. Booda

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    The installer that replaced my HR20-100 with a HR21-700 today stated that it was his first activation for the new unit, so there must be many HR20's still out there.
     
  16. jtn

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    Have they stopped manufacturing HR20-700S IRD's?
     
  17. jesseasi

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    To save time in trying to read through 23 pages of posts. Can anyone tell me if the new HR21 buffers two channels at the same time?

    We have a his and hers DVR setup here. HR10-250 for the wife and HR-20 for me. My wife loves switching between two tunners to watch tv. The HR-20 did not offer this so she has refused to switch hers out.

    Anyone know if the HR21 does this?

    I am sorry if this has been covered before - I read through the 1st 4 pages of posts and gave up.

    Thanks!
     
  18. shocky

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    Simple answer: No. No dual buffers for live tv.. You must record one of the shows to get the dual live buffer effect to work.
     
  19. Doug Brott

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    Correct .. Other than the lack of OTA, the HR21 is virtually identical to the HR20. The insides of the HR21 use a newer chipset, but that seems to be a cost saving measure more than for performance enhancement.
     
  20. NetRaider

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    Gigabit or 100Mb switch?
     
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