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DECA Upgrade-now HR24s don't do MRV

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Connected Home' started by Aero Man, Jul 15, 2010.

  1. azarby

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    Ok, it appears fromn your sig that you have 10 tuners. A SWiM LNB with one wire output only supports 8 tuners. They must provide a legacy SL3 or SL5 LNB (4 wire output) with a SWiM16 external switch. From the SWiM16, they must use both outputs as each output only supports 8 tuners. Each output would probably have an x4 green label splitter.
    For Internet connectivity, they will also be required to have one DECA adapter with PI connected to your router and the output connected to one of you feed cables either at the x4 splitters or with an additional x2 splitter somewhere in the system.

    Anything less than what I described above and your system will not work properly.
    Stick to your guns and make sure it happens the correct way.
     
  2. HoTat2

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    The OP actually has nine tuners. Four HR24 DVRs and one H24. However either way he still needs the SWM16.

    But anyway all this really makes no sense. The first multiswitch they bring out was undoubtably a SWM16 otherwise MRV would never have functioned at all, not even temporarily like it did. Yet they call it a "legacy switch" which can not bring back since it is no longer available? :confused:

    And then a DECA "specialist" instructs the techs. to place DECA BSFs on each of the four lines from the satellite dish which carries the main LNB down-converted frequency stack so "the LNB doesn't burn?" :eek2:

    As VOS says that will block most of the 250-750 MHz Ka-lo (the down-converted "B-band") channels.

    That's got to be about the worst example of installer ignorance I've heard so far.

    And boy have I heard about a lot of them here since MRV formally went national unfortunately ... :nono2:
     
  3. RobertE

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    Our "trainer" insists on calling the SWiM8/16 switches "legacy" switches. Why I dunno, but it bugs the hell out of me. Just adds confusion for those that don't know better. We even have some up the food chain a bit that think and call the splitters switches. :nono2:

    A true legacy switch should be a 3x4, WB68, WB616, etc.
     
  4. hdtvfan0001

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    I'm with you Robert.

    The SWiM 8 does the same thing as the SWiM16, just less tuners supported. It's also the foundation (X4) of the SWiM32. Nothing legacy about it (other than having legacy receiver ports :D).

    Somebody needs to train the trainer. :lol:
     
  5. jacmyoung

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    Other than HoTat2 said I have 9 tuners, you are spot on what the first tech did for me, which was why it worked for the three receivers, and the internet, which he verified. But we could not get the other two HR24s to work with the DECA MRV, not knowing the "SAT setup" step. The 2nd tech made things worse.

    But is there no way to have the SWiM8 LNB installed on the 5-lnb dish for my setup to work? Is there no such thing as a SWiM16 LNB?

    I need to be absolutely sure myself what will work first. But thanks for the moral support from everyone:)
     
  6. jacmyoung

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    They did not say the same switch could not be brought back, in fact they said they had plenty of them, but according to the 2nd tech, if we upgrade the LNB to the SWiM LNB, we would need a very expensive new switch which they did not have in stock.

    If I understand hdtvfan0001 correctly, the 2nd tech was talking about the SWiM32 they did not have?
     
  7. hdtvfan0001

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    Not exactly...the SWiM16 that the tech didn't have. There is no SWiM16 Dish, only a SWiM8 Dish.

    The SWiM32 is an MDU (only) unit, and not applicable for your install.
     
  8. dsw2112

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    :nono2:

    The SWMLnb cannot be used with any other switch; legacy, SWM8, SWM16, etc. It's strictly a stand-alone unit that can be used with high frequency splitters to get a max of 8 tuners. This cannot be used in your situation.

    They need to understand that the correct setup is legacy LNB (which you have) to SWM16 (with 8 tuners on one leg and 1 tuner on the other.) The rest will be taken care of in the sat setup (since you previously used MRV over ethernet sat setup NEEDS to be rerun.)

    If you can force them to do this it will work, and they might learn something. I wish you luck!

    P.S. You will not need bandstop filters anywhere in the above setup...
     
  9. jacmyoung

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    Thanks guys, my job is not going to be easy. First I need to talk them out of insisting that they need to "upgrade my LNB to allow only one cable out of the dish," then talk them into bringing back the original DECA gear again, somehow convince them it will work, basically convince them that I know better than they do, which understandably will be a very difficult task.
     
  10. hdtvfan0001

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    HD Dishes all have 4 lines running out from them...
     
  11. veryoldschool

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    You need to show them this and tell them it came from DirecTV:
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  12. HoTat2

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    You want to maybe clarify that statement hdtvfan? :confused:

    As SWiMLine-3/5 HD dishes do only have a one line output as I'm sure you're aware.
     
  13. hdtvfan0001

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    I assumed a SWimLNB was not in play since the poster was looking at more than 8 tuner support...

    But still...a good point....only real HD dishes have 4 lines.... :lol:

    SWiMline Dishes are hybrid devices (SWiM built in), and only have the one line out.

    I stand...uh...sit...corrected. ;)
     
  14. jacmyoung

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    I dont know how to show it on the phone, but I will try to tell them to read this thread if possible:)

    This was what the 1st tech did for me, of course he also had the internet part. The splitters only had four legs each though, each leg connected to one HDDVR/HD receiver, a total of 5.
     
  15. veryoldschool

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    Sounds like the first tech was on the ball and only got hung up getting the 24s back on DECA.
     
  16. dsw2112

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    I think VOS is dead on. The four way splitter the tech used is just fine, and technically no splitter would be necessary on the second "leg" of the SWM16 (as only one receiver would be placed there.) That splitter will only add DB loss to the setup.
     
  17. mookhead

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    I have been dealing with clueless techs this past week. By reading this forum it seems like someone can help me out. I have an H24-700 and an HR24-100 DVR receiver. Right now the HR24-100 is hooked up by ethernet to my router and gets VOD. I do not get multi-room viewing on the H24-700 from recorded programs on the HR24-100. There were no external deca's hooked up. Just coax to recievers and one ethernet cable to router. After 5 days of techs messing with the system I've gone from having VOD and no MR; to having MR and no VOD; to having neither; to having what I have now: VOD on the HD24-100 and no VOD on the H24-700 with no multi-room networking (although multi-room is authorized). I did do a satelite reset on both but have not moved them yet. I want to swap the 2 receivers to their original spots (DVR not wired to ethernet and HD24-700 wired to modem by ethernet cable). Here are my questions: If I switch them, do I have to switch the coaxes too? Is there any other necessary deca's or other switches I need to get this setup working? I was told I only need a deca to the router. If so, where do I use a splitter? Do I connect the ethernet from the receiver to router? Finally can the large power supply be hooked up to either receiver? Sorry for the length, but I am in dire straits.
     
  18. dsw2112

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    The 24's have internal DECA and the DECA is disabled when an ethernet cable is attached (you can use one or the other, but not both.) Remove the ethernet cable from the HR24 and redo sat setup (you may need to do this on both boxes.) This will get you MRV, but not on-demand. The only way to "inject" the internet into the mix (for on-demand, media share, etc) is to attach an external DECA to your router (it's called an ICK - Internet connection kit.) Call D* and tell them to "make it right"; ask that they install the ICK (which should have been installed in the first place) and this way you won't have to worry about running coax to the router, where the splitter is, etc... Just don't let them add ethernet cables to the back of the receivers again!
     
  19. veryoldschool

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    One of these
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  20. azarby

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    Exactly as he said. Right now the best you can do is MRV and wait for DTV to connect a DECA with PI to your ethernet cable for VOD. If you didn't originally request the internet connection kit, it may cost you an additional $25 and poossibly a service call charge. Not sure what they are doing for those that just want VOD added to their system.
     

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