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DECA What's Needed?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV - H24/HR24 Field Trial (private)' started by MercurialIN, May 16, 2010.

  1. spidey

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    so need 2 PIs one for the SWiM 8 and another for DECA to the router? Thtas my likely scenario since do want the receivers internet accessible
     
  2. The Merg

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    Correct. Two PI's.

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  3. houskamp

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    2 different PIs.. one for deca and one for SWM..
     
  4. MercurialIN

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    Not sure what a PI is other then private investigator not familiar with that term DECA wise.

    Hoping the install goes well tomorrow. Really wanting to have my trusty HR20 back in the mix. Noticed that the phone jack near the HR23 has a splitter I think it's called so that two lines can be plugged into it.

    Only problem is only one DSL filter. So guess the HR20 still couldn't be hooked up to the phone line. Plus the installer would have to have the phone cable with him. Don't have one here.

    The remote control that I use for the HR23 is dying, not a battery issue, you just have to push the button clear back to the back of the remote casing practically to get a response.

    Will the same remote be able to control both the 23 & 20? Will the installer program it for both or will I need to figure that one out myself?

    I read in an above post something about DECA adapter not being needed for the HR24? What will the installer need to do with the 24 then? Just remove one cable (since it's currently got one to each tuner) and unplug the ethernet cable?

    As for the 23 & 20 just remove one cable from the 23 and plug it into the 20? I want to make certain that all three units are connected to the internet for MRV, On Demand and TVAPPS. Do they just plug something into the router port for that?

    How would they connect all three DVR's to my network? Sorry for all the questions but just very curious. I love this technical stuff but I don't always understand it at first.

    Just used to using ethernet to each box. Thanks again for all the help here!
     
  5. hilmar2k

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    PI = Power Inserter.

    Yes. A good installer will do it for you.

    A separate DECA adapter, along with a power inserter, will be connected to your router to bridge the DECA cloud to the internet.
     
  6. The Merg

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    Yup. Remove the coax from the Sat 2 Input and unplug the ethernet cable.

    The coax that is currently used for Sat 1 Input on the HR23 will go to a DECA and then the output from the DECA will go to the HR23. The DECA will then have a ethernet cable to the HR23.

    The coax that is currently used for Sat 2 Input on the HR23 will go to another DECA and then the output from there will go to the HR20. You will then have a ethernet cable from that DECA to the HR20. Due to the limitation of the HR20, you would also need a PI for that DECA or you could split the cable output from the DECA and run it to both inputs on the HR20. The Sat 2 Input on the HR20 will then power the DECA.

    As for your router, one of the cables that is currently going to the HR23 can be split to another DECA. This DECA is used solely as a bridge to your network. You run a PI off of it and the ethernet cable is run from the DECA to your router.

    The DECA bridge takes care of that for you.

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  7. MercurialIN

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    Thanks so much for the very helpful replies! Really appreciate it.

    Can't wait to get this stuff installed tomorrow. I'm actually more excited about getting the HR20 back in service then I am the rest of it. But I expect the rest will be nice too.
     
  8. houskamp

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    also there's really no reason to have phone line attached once deca is connected..
     
  9. MercurialIN

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    I suppose not as long as I have the phone line on the 23 anyway. Just want the on screen caller ID.
     
  10. spidey

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    Installer is coming sunday at noon for deca upgrade took a while since I had already done the MRV use my network option. Got it all squared up no and time to cleanup a little wiring etc and make sure all receivers are RBR except the one they will replace so I dont lose the CE I will be downloading on friday.

    I need to work on removing all the diplexors for OTA and run another run of cable for that. Need to put all my Diplexors for sale.
     
  11. MercurialIN

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    Ok! Well I got part of the DECA install today.

    Interesting experience. When he first walked in he pointed to my AM21 and asked what that was. I explained it. Then he told me that he'd just gotten the DECA training last week and this was his FIRST install! Ok..

    Was a bit nervous about that. But he was really nice and apparently did a good job because it all seems to be working. He installed my HR20 it's sitting on top of the AM21 now which sits on top of the HR23. Only thing is he couldn't really figure out how to program my RC32 backlit remote to run both DVRs.

    He finally ended up putting it on AV2 which I wasn't thrilled about because I had my old VCR on that one. I have my DVD player as AV1 and then of course the TV under TV. He was gonna put the HR20 under TV I really didn't want that. But I guess that was all he could do.

    Could NOT do the internet connection part because he said that Directv hadn't sent them the parts for that yet. Sigh. So he left my ethernets in place and will have to come back to finish that. He didn't know anything about setting up MRV under system menu so I showed him how to do that.

    Of course I already had MRV set up for a long time, but he'd not seen how it was done, so I just walked him through the multi room menu.

    He told me I was the most knowledgeable customer he'd ever dealt with. Hm, not sure how to take that, poor training maybe? Anyway, truly he was very nice, cleaned up after himself, and was very polite. I felt he did a good job.

    Just sorry to not be able to have it all done in one visit.

    PS. I found an old phone line and plugged it into the HR20, after he left so, now I do have on screen Caller ID back on the 20. Yay!

    PPS. He was able to keep my current dish. Just changed the LNB like you guys thought he would. Looks really nice and sleek now too. So he said it's now a swim 3s dish or some such.

    I had read posts on here to other posters mentioning to be sure something or rather had a green sticker, so I asked him about that and he showed me where the green stickers were, one outside with the dish and one inside on that black box. So thanks again to everyone on this thread for being so helpful!

    I understood better what you guys told me then what the installer did.
     
  12. smiddy

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    Awesome Melody,

    It sounds like even though he may be "green" he did a good job and was helpful. I think he may have gotten more from you, than you from him, but as it is everyone has to learn and he's very lucky to have a Cutting Edge / Field Trial participant such as yourself! :)
     
  13. MercurialIN

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    Thank you smiddy, for the kind words. I appreciate that! It was fun talking with him, we chatted quite a bit about DVR's and installs and such. It was kind of like being here on the forum. Except you guys are more knowledgeable. And explain things to me in ways that make it easier for me to understand. I really enjoy talking electronics and gadgets. :)
     
  14. smiddy

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    Yep, that's why I'm here too, electronics and gadgets! Now I have to wait only a few more days for another gadget to plug into my Whole Home System! :lol:
     
  15. MercurialIN

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    Well so much for everything being fine. When I first tried using my laptop last night I had no internet connection. I rebooted the computer, router and modem. It finally came back but now Media Share is wonky.

    I know he only did the other part of the DECA install, he couldn't do the internet connection no parts. But why is my internet suddenly messed up?? I am still able to bring up TVAPPS, download On Demand and use MRV.

    But it's Media Share that has the problem. TVersity is working, and so is Asset UPnP. It's Play On that is suddenly having trouble. When I do an online bandwidth check via the program it consistently says bandwidth is LOW. Normally it has always been maximum.

    I can no longer stream Netflix or Hulu. I have tried resetting the DVR's and again the modem and router. But nothing helps. Could it be because I now have 3 HD DVR's on my network instead of just two? They are connected via ethernet still. Although since I only had two ethernet cables in the living room one of which is hooked to the HR23, the other to the Sony.

    I'm not sure how he connected the HR20 to the network but it is. My Sony is still connected too as I can use the twitter app on the Sony.

    When I kept trying to force Netflix to load, Play On simply disappeared from the list of My Computers, then a moment later Music, Photos & More disappeared from the menu. I had to reset all three media servers and then reboot the 24, which is the DVR I was using last night, to get it to reappear on the menu.

    Any ideas as to what happened? Help would be appreciated.

    PS. I noticed under system info and more info on the HR24, below where it says internet it said: Additional note: if you want to use your coax network disconnect the ethernet cable and reboot your receiver. That note hadn't been there before the install. Of course I can't remove the ethernet cable until the installer comes back out and installs the internet part of things.

    PPS. Router is wireless but being used with ethernet. Netgear WGR614 v7 absolutely no way to replace the router at this point so I hope that isn't the issue. But again, on demand and MRV and TVAPPS all work as usual.
     
  16. bobnielsen

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    Bainbridge...
    I don't understand something. You said he didn't have the parts for the internet connection. Actually the connection needed is to your network (which presumably is connected to the internet). The "broadband DECA" is a new device which isn't yet available but lacking that, the way the connection is made is to use one of the same DECA adapters used for DVRs, along with a power inserter. Since they have these devices, the installer should have used one of them.

    Is an ethernet connector plugged into the HR24? That will disconnect it from the DECA cloud, disabling the ability to use MRV with that DVR.
     
  17. MercurialIN

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    Thank you for the reply. I had forgotten until you posted about it but yes, he said that it was the broadband DECA that he didn't have yet and that he'd be back when it came in in about two or three weeks.

    To answer your question, yes he left the ethernet cable plugged into the HR24 he said I'd need that until he got back with the broadband DECA to complete the install. MRV from that DVR is working fine.

    The reason he left an ethernet cable plugged into the router from each DVR for now is so I can still use Media Share, TVAPPS, On Demand and MRV.

    MRV has been working fine between all of my DVR's. I once again lost my internet connection tonight for no apparent reason. It was down over an hour. During that time Music, Photos & More disappeared from the menu as expected and of course no TVAPPS or On Demand.

    However MRV was working just fine between the living room and bedroom DVR.

    So apparently I really don't understand how all this networking works or doesn't.

    Very frustrated about the becoming frequent internet outages. Whenever I do call my ISP, they tell me there's something wonky with my phone line, then they send someone out to check it who tells me it's fine. This has been repeated numerous times over the past 8 years or so.

    Sometimes they blame my router other times they blame it on something else. Nothing ever gets fixed though. They told me last time that the DSL modem I was using (which I got through them) was so old it wasn't even being made anymore.
     

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