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Developers are betting on Android in the long run

Discussion in 'Tech Talk - Gadgets, Gizmos and Technology' started by BubblePuppy, Sep 29, 2010.

  1. ibooksrule

    ibooksrule Godfather

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    We will see what happenes with android. Since oracle posted today
    Oracle amended its Java complaint against Google over Android patent infringement and provided line-by-line comparisons in its exhibits.

    In its tweaked complaint, Oracle ups the ante against Google, who has called the lawsuit baseless. Oracle, which first sued Google over Android in August, said:

    In at least several instances, Android computer program code also was directly copied from copyrighted Oracle America code. For example, as may be readily seen in Exhibit J, the source code in Android’s “PolicyNodeImpl.java” class is nearly identical to “PolicyNodeImpl.java” in Oracle America’s Java, not just in name, but in the source code on a line-for-line basis.
     
  2. Mike Bertelson

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    I have both an iPhone and an Android (Samsung Captivate). Let’s face it, they both do the same things. At their most basic they are identical in functionality. The have all the same (or nearly so) apps. AAMOF, everything that I installed on my iPhone, I also have on my Captivate (with one exception). While there is a lot "more" apps for the iPhone, all the major/most popular apps are on both platforms.

    What it comes down to are the differences and what you want your phone to do. It seems the developers prefer the open source environment. Easy access is why there are more Windows PCs than Apples so you have to expect the same out of an open source system like Android.

    Personally, I expect the increasing sales of Androids to continue. There’s so many models on multiple carriers. There’s only one iPhone on one carrier (for now :D).

    Mike
     
  3. Mike Bertelson

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    Do you think this will shut down Android and remove all those phones from the market? There is absolutely way that's ever gonna happen. There's just too much money being made on these phones.

    Anyone who thinks this could kill Android and the Android phone market is missing the big picture. It’s all about the money and they’re making it hand over fist right now. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Oracle becoming some kind of partner with Google. Doubtful but not out of the realm of possibility. :)

    I'm betting either Oracle's suit won't hold up or, if it will, there will be a monetary settlement. Google’s never going to let the cash cow die. :grin:

    Mike
     
  4. Lord Vader

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    Gee, kinda sounds like the TiVo v. DISH battle. ;)
     
  5. BubblePuppy

    BubblePuppy Good night dear Smoke... love you & "got your butt

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    After having 3 Blackberrys that I unlocked, which allows me to run apps, have features, that the official ATT OS does not have, and now a rooted Google Nexus1 running a custom rom that has a ton of features that the stock Froyo doesn't have. I will never go to a phone that is in a locked tightly controlled bubble, like the iphone. The iphone will only have what Apple dictates what is allowed, along with what ever limitations the carrier imposes on the OS.
    I own my Nexus1, lock, stock, and os.
     
  6. Mike Bertelson

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    I see flash all the time but I can’t say I’ve seen any video in html5? I just looked it up and I have read that 54% of content is available in HTML5 but that doesn’t mean it’s exclusively HTML5. In the article that had the “54%”, it also stated that Flash is still the dominate desktop player for web content so don’t count out Flash yet. :rolleyes:

    BTW, HTML5 was still under development and only has a draft spec and is not the current standard...Link

    Which Android phone do you have and what apps can’t you get for it.

    So far I’ve only found one app on my iPhone that I can’t get on my Android and I found an identical app from a different developer so it’s a wash. Just because you didn’t find the identical app doesn’t mean there isn’t one for the same function from another developer. Show me an iPhone app and I’ll show you the same functionality on Android. The lack of apps is a myth.

    Further, there's no more malware on Android than there is on iPhone...I'm just sayin' :grin:

    Mike
     
  7. ibooksrule

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    Why would i want an android phone? Google has admitted android was never going to be a touch based os. It was not till the iPhone came out and it's popularity that it decided to change it to a touch interface. Plus I can't stand that they copied the code from someone else. Google has no original thought they just like Microsoft o let's see this looks good let's do this too.
    It's a cheap knock off of an iPhone and my iPhone works perfect. Plus it fits nicely into the Eco system. When I plug it in iTunes automatically launches and my music is there as well as my movies. Plus any app I get works on my iPad iPhone and iPod.

    With 3 companies all filing suit against google am very curious how long it will be before they give up the ghost.
    Anyway we will see. I prefer my iPhone it just works like I need it to and android is not ever going to integrate the way my iPhone does and considering all my music and shows are in iTunes just to switch to android would require allot of work.

    Although next time I'm at verizon I'll play with the android phones again just see if I can figure out what it is you like so well have not seen it so far.
     
  8. ibooksrule

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    Flash is dead it won't survive. That's why adobe is making a flash to html5 converter tool. They see for them to survive they need to do something because flash won't survive even Microsoft is giving up on silverlight and moving towards html5.

    Tons of video is html5 any video I can see on my iPad is not flash and I watch videos all the time
     
  9. sigma1914

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    There you go, again. :lol: See: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=2623575#post2623575
     
  10. bobukcat

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    Android wasn't even owned by Google until well after the iPhone was out and very successful. At this point they are making so much money off of Android that there is no way its going away, even if it becomes a licensed OS because of royalties that must be payed. But everyone is suing everyone in the game right now, including your beloved Apple for patent infringement - it has become part of the game.

    As for Android integration, with more and more devices coming out running Android (TVs, Ebook readers, etc.) I think you'll see more and more integration with the Mobile Android experience, they have a long way to go to match what Apple has achieved but it is still a very young OS - the first really high-end Android phones we released just about one year ago today and look how much it has already grown!
     
  11. ibooksrule

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    They are not making money off of it. Only when people search using google. The os is free they can't make money on it.
     
  12. bobukcat

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    It is how they make all their money - advertising - and they do it very, very well. It's not just search though, all those free Android apps that have embedded ads using Google's tools make them a lot of money too. They didn't just claim that buying Android was probably the best move the company has ever made for no reason and if there is no Android running on millions of mobile devices that revenue goes away, which is why I say its not gonna happen.
     
  13. Mike Bertelson

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    You said there were several apps that you had on your iPhone but couldn’t get on the Android. All I was wondering was what apps could you not find for the Android. That’s all. :rolleyes:

    As for not getting over the “stealing code” thing then you better get rid of your iPhone because Apple has been accused of doing the same thing. Apples hand aren't exactly clean in this area (can you say Alto...I knew you could :D). For that matter I can’t think of a single big name hardware/software company that hasn’t been accused of it. But right now it’s just an accusation. I prefer to reserve judgment until it’s been proven before condemning someone.

    I know all about the iPhone. I have an Android and an iPhone. However, since you brought it up, I prefer my Android for a couple of reasons. It has larger screen (AMOLED). My Captivate is faster than the iPhone. It’s much more customizable than my iPhone. I don’t have to root (jailbreak) to install out of Market (iTunes Store) apps. You simply can’t do that on the iPhone without jailbreaking first. Using Swype for texting beat my iPhone’s texting capabilities hands down. I almost think Swipe alone is worth switching from the iPhone. :)

    They are nearly identical in functionality; including, for the most part, apps. IMHO, it’s the extras that make the difference and they are where Android wins. Seriously, how does your iPhone “integrate” into your way of doing things that Android, and even some other touchscreen smartphones for that matter, can’t do. I can’t find a single thing, not one little thing, that my iPhone can do that I also can’t do on my Android. However, I do know of several things my Captivate does that my iPhone simply can’t handle. So I’m curious, what does the iPhone do that can’t be done on an Android? Actually I can think of one advantage. The iPhone has much better battery life. :shrug:

    BTW, I think you’re talking about multi-touch which Google put on hold to avoid infringing on Apples patents. The SDKs for Android in 2007 already included touch screen capability. Touch screen capability was not added because the iPhone had it. For that matter the iPhone wasn't even the first completely touch screen phone. IIRC, that was a phone from LG. :rolleyes:

    Mike
     
  14. ibooksrule

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    What can your captivate do an iPhone can't? I have not found a need for apps outside of iTunes other then 1 wifi hot spot. But if AT&T would allow that would not be a big deal you can do it with other carriers on the iPhone just not in re us.
     
  15. sigma1914

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    Not drop every other call.
     
  16. Mike Bertelson

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    That's really the best you can do? !rolling

    How is that something the Captivate can't do? You've just confirmed it's something the iPhone can't do. :lol:

    I've only found one app I've installed outside the market too. So what? The fact is I can do it. :)

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  17. Lord Vader

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    :thats: :lol:

    FYI, that won't happen to you if you learn how to properly hold your iPhone4! There's a very exact spot on which your fingers must rest. Then, you'll need to turn the unit exactly 23.4 degrees off its vertical axis (note--you must compensate .7 degrees for sunspot activity when that is present).

    See how simple that is!

    But hey! None of that's necessary if you want to listen to your iTunes! :p
     
  18. Doug Brott

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    I've written an iPhone app .. Working on a duplicate android version. So far .. nod goes to Apple. The Android development environment is a bit more difficult to set up, IMHO - on the plus side, though, I guess you don't need a Mac.
     
  19. Mike Bertelson

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    I had heard that app developement wasn't as easy on Android. Linux vs iOS I guess?

    Mike
     
  20. Stewart Vernon

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    It really depends on how you look at things.

    IBM wanted to control the PC market with closed architecture. When the first PC "clones" came on the scene, IBM tried to sue in court to stop them... but ultimately lost.

    That was a boon to the platform because it meant more options for consumers and cheaper prices... which is really why the PC took off in mainstream use.

    BUT... that same phenomenon is why there is virtually no money in desktop PCs for the home user anymore, and IBM sold their PC division years ago to a company in China (Lenovo).

    What is good for consumers can be bad for them too....

    I'm not an Apple fanatic, but there products tend to hold their value later in part because Apple has such tight control over both the hardware and the software... and Apple's ability to sell in a down economy, grow their business AND grow their cash on-hand to over $50 billion dollars... they are doing something right.

    They don't do all things the way I would like... but they are growing while PC-world has shrank just a tiny bit. Will that continue? I don't know.

    There will also likely be lots of choices for phones too... and some will be pretty cool and highly competitive with the iPhones... but I don't take that to mean Apple is going away.
     

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