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Digital TV changeover scam

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by GaryAZ, Dec 19, 2008.

  1. GaryAZ

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    This was taped to my front door. It didn't scan too well so here's a transcript:

    There are lots of older folks in this community and I'm sure many are confused by the DTV changeover. This just seems really lame.

    "Dish Network Community Advisor" oh brother. I bet he has a badge and everything.
     

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  2. dbrakob

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    If you are comfortable about Digital TV and understand the basics maybe you could be a good samaritan and if possible provide a 1 hour talk about the switchover for your community.
     
  3. James Long

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    There are a lot of scammers out there ... one of them bought the website http://www.dtv.com/ to sell some IP TV service (trying to catch people going to DTV.gov).
     
  4. SaltiDawg

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    OK, I'll bite. Why the "sic?" ("Advisor" is perfectly acceptable.)
     
  5. GaryAZ

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    nice idea. I'd thought about having a group of friends buy an extra converter box or two, pool them together and install them for elderly folks or in poor neighborhoods.
     
  6. GaryAZ

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    My browser flagged it as misspelled. I didn't take the investigation any further. thank you.
     
  7. brant

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    i see nothing wrong with the letter, and in fact, i think that is a great marketing technique.
     
  8. phrelin

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    One thing wrong here. Echostar makes several fine OTA digital conversion boxes, some even eligible for the federal rebate. If OTA digital signals are available in some or all of the community and no reference is made about the alternative, then it is a scam if the digital conversion box alternative is not presented, IMHO.
     
  9. DTHguy

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    Part of theses scam and others scam, it fault have the same station.
     
  10. SaltiDawg

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    Incredible. :rolleyes:
     
  11. BaldEagle

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    I agree. It was only slightly misleading in that it failed to mention converter boxes could be used to watch the digital signal on old analog TV's.

    Not a scam at all.
     
  12. GaryAZ

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    Do you have any thoughts on the point of discussion?
     
  13. James Long

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    There was a lot left out of the letter ... not mentioning that a one time purchase of a converter box would be the least expensive route is just the beginning of the problem.

    Coming in to fix the singular problem of "your TV will not receive analog broadcasts" they should focus on solving that problem. Even if they offer other options, the purchase and install of a DTVPal is a good solution.

    The $9.99 locals only and $19.99 welcome packs are also good solutions. To have "packages start at $32.99" (which DOES NOT include the locals the seniors are losing) when one can get the Family pack for $24.99 w/locals is bad marketing.

    More investigation would be needed into how he is using the community's name. How did he get permission to be that community's authorized retailer? If community leaders actually gave him permission to market using their community name then THEY should also be held responsible for the deception. If he does not have permission to use their name they should shut him down. When he uses the community's name it is their endorsement of his scheme. Someone needs to talk to community management and let them know what is going on. (Although from the dates on the notice, it may be too late.)
     
  14. brant

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    they're not trying to sell converter boxes; they are in the dish business.


    take another look at what the letter said.


    they never claimed to be the authorized retailer for that neighborhood.


    there is nothing deceptive about this letter.
     
  15. ziggy29

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    It seems like a legitimate offer but the somewhat sensational marketing is a turn-off.
     
  16. TP715

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    The flyer, while it doesn't lie, is almost entirely deception. It implies at the beginning that everyone is going to get Dish for "free", when they actually mean the equipment is "free" if you agree to a long term contract (which includes the cost of the equipment and installation amortized over the contract). It implies that if you don't want to lose your TV you better get Dish Network and fails to mention other (cheaper) solutions (like the converter boxes that are almost free with the Federal Government coupon). It is designed to prey on the elderly and the technically naive who don't realize other options are available. And mentioning the Community makes it look like they are implying that this is somehow the "official" community solution.

    Whatever happened to integrity and honesty?

    PS- the only factor we don't know about is if the community forbids OTA antennas (which itself is a violation of FCC regulations).
     
  17. brant

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    just realize i missed this part, so i apologize james.


    anyhow, i still see nothing deceptive about it. i think some of you are looking for a reason to complain.

    its a good marketing campaign and will most likely get them some business.
     
  18. twcbrandon

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    If this is a scam then a large majority of ALL advertisement is a scam.

    Any restaurant that claims to have the best food is a scam unless they can verify in a WORLD WIDE survey that the WORLD agreed that they are the best etc.

    If your looking for scams try alerting the government to all the companies that come out with all these new health remedies or mlm companies or companies that claim you can save money on gas etc.
     
  19. James Long

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    If you want to make money going door to door preying on the ignorance of people ...
    Selling unneeded products or services using the threat of losing TV service?

    I'm surprised anyone is supporting the actions of this retailer.
    He needs reporting to the state attorney general's office.
    Let them decide if that is fair marketing or not.
    I know if I found a similar note on my door that would be my next step.
     
  20. GaryAZ

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    They are not forbidden. There are some guidelines for concealment but most homes have them. I'm using a 30 year old yagi to receive DTV. The signal is very strong as we're only about 15 miles from the transmitters (in Phoenix they are all in one spot on South Mountain).

    In my spare bedroom I have an old CRT TV with converter box and $9.00 rabbit ears from Best Buy. I can easily receive all the Phoenix DTV channels. Total out-of-pocket expense (with government coupon) about $30.00.
     

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