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Direct TV receiver to record antenna input?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Driver_1, Aug 21, 2010.

  1. Driver_1

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    Do any Direct TV receivers do this?

    My Dish 625 is getting old, and when it goes, I don't want to lose my recordings. I'm thinking of going to Direct TV, and I'm looking at receivers on eBay (if they're clear).

    What models will do this? Standard def or high def doesn't matter.

    Thanks here...
     
  2. Yoda-DBSguy

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    Any DirecTV Branded Hx or HRx series receivers as well as the R22 have the ability to view and record off air local stations with the addition of an AM21 OTA module. The only exception is the HR20 which already has a built in tuner so it does not need the AM21 module.

    However most receivers are leased, NOT owned. so if your looking to aquire one off someone else or ebay for that matter make sure to confirm with not only the seller (but direcTV by verifying the RID and serial number of the receiver), and that the unit is outright owned and available for your use in that regard.

    *Also keep in mins that any previously used owned receiver will need a new access card for you to be able to subscribe with direcTV, as you can not use a previously used card from another account. The cost of a card is $20 and must be aquired directly from DirecTV.
     
  3. Earl Bonovich

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    However.... what I think the OP is trying to do, is playback the recordings from his DISH receiver, into the DIRECTV one.

    And in that case, no... none of them will do that.

    The OTA recording that Yoda is referring to, is content that is already encoded in MPEG-2 DIGITAL format, which the output from your DISH recorder is not.

    You would need to look at Video Capture device for your computer, or a DVD Recorder
     
  4. Driver_1

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    Yes - DishNW 625 'Line Out', through the coax, into the 'Antenna Input', on another Direct TV receiver, to re-record.
     
  5. Earl Bonovich

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    Sorry to say, there is no DIRECTV DVR (old or new), that will do this.
    The systems don't have ANALOG->DIGITAL encoders in them.

    So unless you want to invest in the hardware to do OTA standard MPEG-2 encoding (Which is not cheap)... you will need to archive your old recordings to DVD or your computer.
     
  6. Driver_1

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    If they do not have analog -> digital encoders, then what is the AM21 OTA module to which Yoda refers?

    And he says that the HR20 already has the AM21 tuner that allows viewing and recording OTA.

    I'm confused here...
     
  7. Newshawk

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    The tuners in the HR20 and the AM21 module are ATSC digital tuners. Your Dish 625 has an analog RF modulator. They will not talk to each other.
     
  8. Driver_1

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    Ok - makes a little more sense here; I understand the 625 putting out RF.

    And no receivers, Direct TV, or Dish, will record RF input?
     
  9. Driver_1

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    Just got off the phone with a Dish CSR.

    He said the 'Antenna' input, regardless of the signal, will play, BUT, it will not record, UNLESS the signal allows it to integrate into the broadcast programming, and show up in the guide display.

    And RF input does not do this.

    That sound right?

    They make the system MORE complicated, and it loses capabilities???
     
  10. Earl Bonovich

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    Actually... they are making the systems less complicated (in this arena).
    They are keeping JUST the digital tuners, since ANALOG broadcast signals for all intent and purpose are gone.

    These DVRS just record the already encoded DIGITAL versions of broadcasts.
    No need for fairly expense (to encode in real time) encoders, for something that would be not used in probably 99.9% of the user base.

    I don't know DISH's hardware very well... but from your post, I am guessing that it has an ANALOG pass through, that it just pushed back out any analog signal that it receives, and doesn't attempt to do any recording of any type.

    And again, if it is designed anything like the DIRECTV receivers, it will only record DIGITAL over the air signals.
     
  11. hidef2010

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    Ok since we are on the topic of OTA tuners....... how do I get my hands on an AM21 OTA tuner for my HR22-100? I know you can get them online, but does D* have to somehow activate them? Or is it as simple as getting one and plugging it in?
    Also, I read you can call D* and they may send you one for Free or for a $50.00 fee. If this is the case, do they just courrier it to you or do they send an installer to deliver it & hook it up?

    Thanks
    Hidef2010
     
  12. Davenlr

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    You can order it from the DirecTv website. You just unplug your HR22, plug the AM21 into the HR22 power plug, and plug the power cord into the AM21. Plug in the USB cable and your OTA antenna, run Antenna Setup, choose your DMA, and you are good to go.
     
  13. RAD

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    To get an AM21 connected to your HR22 it's very simple:

    - Remove the power cord from the HR22
    - Connect the USB cable from the AM21 to the HR22
    - Connect your antenna cable to the AM21
    - Connect the power cord that's attached to the AM21 to your HR22
    - Plug the power cord that was going to the HR22 into the AM21, the HR22 will start to boot up.
    - Once it's up go into the setup menu and where there used to be just the Satellite selection it's not Sat & Antenna, select that and go through the setup process.

    DirecTV won't send someone out, they'll just FedEx out the AM21.
     
  14. hidef2010

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    Thanks Guys, for the fast responses!! I really appreciate it! All my questions answered..I love DBStalk

    Sorry Guys, I forgot to ask..... can I take the AM21 and use it with my setup in NY, all I want to know is if these AM21 units are "rigged" to work only for specific locations, or if they can be used anywhere, so long as you have access to OTA signals from the towers? In short can the AM21 be used anywhere?

    Thanks

    Hidef2010
     
  15. hidef2010

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    Sorry Guys, I forgot to ask..... can I take the AM21 and use it with my setup in NY, all I want to know is if these AM21 units are "rigged" to work only for specific locations, or if they can be used anywhere, so long as you have access to OTA signals from the towers? In short can the AM21 be used anywhere?

    Thanks

    Hidef2010
     
  16. matt

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    It will work anywhere. The receiver asks for a zip code but that is about it for the unit knowing where it is.
     
  17. RAD

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    It will work in NY, it's location is set by entering your zip code in the antenna setup in the receivers setup menu.
     
  18. ziggy29

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    They can be used anywhere with an HR21/2/3/4 -- BUT you will need to rerun the antenna setup using your new ZIP code. Then the machine will determine which OTA signals to provide you with for your new location. If you can receive signals from two adjacent markets you will need to also add a "secondary local" to the setup.

    They will not work as a standalone ATSC tuner, though. They need to be hooked up to a supported D* box.
     
  19. hidef2010

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    Thanks guys for the responses.
    I know that they don't work as stand alone units.... I also want to know if when I hook it up to my HR22 in Buffalo NY, if I will also be able to get some of the Canadian OTA stations which are pretty close to Buffalo (40 miles across lake Ontario).
    I can pick up a few Canadian OTA HD stations as well as all the Major US networks now just using the Antenna I have in the attic plugged into the back of my Pioneer Kuro HDTV.

    Thanks

    Hidef2010
     
  20. Kansas Zephyr

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    I don't think that Canadian stations are included in D* OTA database. If not...then no.

    You can search the OTA threads for a possible workaround...that, IMHO, is more of a PITA than its worth. YMMV.
     

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