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DirecTV 2012 Olympics coverage

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by cjrleimer, Jun 16, 2012.

  1. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    No need for that, just a bit more comprehension of other's druthers. I.e., some prefer watching on TV, not a computer screen or iPad. Though I may go with the iPad for some.
     
  2. DoyleS

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    I mirrored the iPad image onto my big screen and the online quality is very good. I would have no problem watching the NBC sports channel online. I am pretty impressed with the NBC Live Extra Channel. Great menus. Favorites. you can even set notifications for upcoming events.
     
  3. Laxguy

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    Just the loudest!

    :eek2:
     
  4. John Strk

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  5. Laxguy

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    My bet, 34:1, is that it will be HD.

    What makes you think it won't be?
     
  6. Hoosier205

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    FYI - They cannot just create mix channels. There has to be an agreement with the owners of those feeds that they can do so.
     
  7. hdfan1

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    I am almost positive the mix won't be in HD. I know in the last Winter Olympics it was just the same sports mix with just the NBC channels being moved in place of the networks that are normally on the Sports Mix channel
     
  8. maartena

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    I'm seeing some strange things happening in my guide. My guide is displaying:

    751: Olympic Soccer
    751: CNBC
    752: Olympic Basketball

    I don't know how that 751 of CNBC got in between on the same channel number, but when I select it from the guide, I just get a black screen. Using 751 with the remote buttons gets me to the Soccer channel. I am presuming DirecTV is still "messing" with things", and will also fix the mix channel - probably by tomorrow. Soccer has already started of course, but most of the events won't start until Friday LATE night (which is Saturday morning in London), so they probably get around to it today or tomorrow.

    Kinda bummed on how DirecTV is dragging their feet in updating their website. The Soccer and Basketball channels are still not listed on their Olympics site.

    The soccer channel played most of the day and night here by the way, I thoroughly enjoyed seeing the girls play :) The Japan-Canada game was actually better in quality of play than the USA-France game. Much better moves, much better defense on both sides, and a few really well done goals.
     
  9. maartena

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    No they don't. They don't have to make agreements with CNN, Fox, MSNBC, Bloomberg, CNBC, HLN, etc, etc, etc.... just to make a News mix channel. They can just do that themselves, just like they did with Disney channels (and E!, and others etc) during the Viacom dispute to offer an alternative set of channels while the dispute lasted. They don't have enter in all sorts of agreements.

    They put up a mix channels within hours after the Viacom dispute with channels not only from Disney, but from various other media companies. You can't tell me they had to go out and get agreements from all of them just to do that.

    They also didn't need to talk to all the sports channels to take DOWN their mix channel to create the Viacom one.

    No need for agreements on Mix channels, as long as the channel is carried right where it is supposed to be carried, Mix channels are something DirecTV can do themselves as an addition.
     
  10. Hoosier205

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    For specialty events with specific rights issues, yes they do. (golf/tennis majors, NCAA March Madness, Olympics, etc.)
     
  11. John Strk

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    So they have an agreement with owners of MLB, Golf, Tennis, NFL, etc.. for exclusive interactive HD Mix channels and can't get one put out for something as important and popular as the Olympics? Seems like an epic fail for the sports leader.
     
  12. Hoosier205

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    Who said they couldn't? They very well may. That's between the service provider and the content provider(s).
     
  13. Quaker2001

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    I know it sucks for folks on the West coast and you have every right to be pissed. But again, that's how your affiliate chooses to do business and it's not so automatic for them to re-arrange programming to accommodate 17 straight nights of odd start times. Affiliates make their money from local programming, most notably late local news. So if that gets moved around, that's a problem for them and could cost them money. That's not a small thing when you're helping paying NBC's $1.181 billion tab for the Olympics, let alone that you're trying to use the increased viewership to help your bottom line. It's also the reason you don't want to simulcast it elsewhere, because if it's not on your station, you're not getting the benefits from it.

    I'm not even attempting to defend NBC over that one because I had planned to watch live online tomorrow and I'm pissed that I can't. But to be fair to NBC, other countries' networks do take breaks as well, even if it's not as much as NBC does.

    I have nothing to prove; I just get tired of reading how people won't watch a taped Olympics and that they're only watching because they "don't have a choice." You do have a choice.. you can choose not to watch the Olympics. You can even choose not to be in front of your television, especially on a Saturday during the Summer. Every Olympics it's the same thing where people say the coverage is awful but we have to watch it. To me, that's like going to a restaurant and complaining that the food is awful but continuing to come back for more. There's a reason NBC shows the Olympics packaged in primetime instead of live in the morning. It's because you're not going to get people to watch on a Saturday morning. And don't say they could show it twice because that's a terrible programming strategy.

    I'm sorry, but that's still utter nonsense. The numbers are proof that there are that many people interested in watching the Olympics, regardless of how good or bad the coverage is, and whether or not it's live or taped. If you feel that strongly about it, then don't watch and send a message to NBC that you won't accept what they're giving you. Yea you want to be surprised, but if you're willing to accept not being surprised, then why should NBC cater to your whims? You think they care if you're pissed because "you have no choice" but to watch even though you're watching anyway?

    Again, that's all easier said than done. And especially with this Olympics, it's a moot point because the coverage is on tape anyway. So what's that extra 3 hours to you if it's going to mess with the affiliate's bottom line. That's not so simple to say that you're running local news at 7pm and except it's not going to cost them money. I know that's frustrating that sports in this country revolve around the East coast, but this isn't a baseball game or a football game where you're not going to draw the same viewership on delay as you would showing it live. It does work that way for the Olympics and the numbers bear it out. If you want to say it's because folks don't have a choice, IMO that's a complete load of crap. It's not right that they do that. But I bet if you were working for an affiliate and had those decisions to make, you'd be doing the same thing rather than trying to move the entire schedule around when there's not as much of a demand for live Olympics as many on a board like this would like everyone to think.
     
  14. maartena

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    I do understand that American sports mostly revolves around Football, Baseball and Basketball, and that the Olympics is not interesting enough for many.

    However, local news gets bumped for THOSE sports all the time. Granted, many of those sports are on RSN's, but when the playoffs are happening.... NBC has no problem, for instance, throwing off the local news schedule for the NHL Stanley Cup games if they are at that time. They aren't waiting for the local news to be done first because they might lose revenue, they have planned for it, and will air the Stanley Cup finals at 5PM west, 8PM east, and thus the west coast affiliates have to say bye bye to their local news.

    I guess the argument could indeed be made that the NHL is more profitable, and might have cost NBC less money anyways, and that the Olympics just aren't popular enough for local news to be pushed aside.... PLUS of course its already tape delayed, so "what is a few extra hours". Of course in 2008 and 2010 when live events WERE possible on prime time east coast, and the west coast still got the delay.... so yeah, it probably mostly because the Olympics just aren't as important.

    I still believe though, NBC could have easily done a "simulcast" of their East Coast feed on something like Universal HD or something, so that those who really want to see it, can buy HD Extra (which I already have) and watch that feed. Hell, If they would charge anything up to $20 or so for the Olympics to have the east coast feed available during the Olympics as a temporary subscription option, I would go for it.

    I am "solving" it by implementing a social media block. I did this in 2010 and 2008, I basically don't get on until after I have seen it all that day. Having family in Europe, Canada, and the US in all sorts of different time zones.... it just is hard to do.

    I remember in 2010 not only did we get shafted on the west coast with the Olympics on our time zone, even countries like The Netherlands got the games LIVE on their screens, and people were watching it there 3 hours before I got to see it. You know how much that SUCKED as the only time I do get to see speed skating on American television is when the Olympics happen, and then to have it be delayed like that when they can see it live halfway across the world?

    Maybe I have just become a bit too jaded with NBC because of the crap they pulled in 2010 and 2008. Again, I PRAISE the online coverage this year, and I will be using it a lot. I already have.
     
  15. maartena

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    Golf/Tennis - yes I can see that. They create specialty channels for that.

    NCAA/Olympics - I don't believe that for one moment. Those are all broadcasted on regular channels, and DirecTV is just putting them together in a mix channel for convenience to their customers, just like they do with the different news channels, the different sports channels, the viacom dispute channel showing the alternative channel options, etc.
     
  16. inkahauts

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    Really? I though the rights are for the actual channels in the first place, not the mix channels. How do you know this, where can we all find this. It seems a bit bizarre to me. I get needing permission to have the five channels for golf in the first place for example, but also to create a mix channel of them, seems a bit odd.
     
  17. Hoosier205

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    Both the NCAA March Madness and the Olympics are brands. You are not just dealing with CBS/NBC, but those brands as well. It's big business and a lot goes into specialty programming by providers.
     
  18. maartena

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    Disney is a brand too. So are CNN, Fox, MSNBC, etc. That doesn't mean they have to make "special agreements" to mix some of their channels they already carry in to a mix channel.

    Nor do they have to "cancel an agreement" because they want to use the News and/or Sports mix channels for something else, e.g. the Viacom mix, that had Disney channels and others in them. They change and re-use the mix channels all the time as they see fit. You really can't convince me they need to re-negotiate a new agreement each time they want to throw a mix channel on their lineup.

    The fact that if you select DirecTV on NBCOlympics, and all of the NBC channels come up, including the Soccer and Basketball channels, but not a Mix channel, seems to support that fact. NBC isn't providing the feed for the mix channel, they just provide the feed for the channels. DirecTV then mixes the feeds into its own creation as an addition to the carried channels.

    Similarly, they don't have to get a new "agreement" just to re-map some of the current channels to the 75x numbers.
     
  19. Hoosier205

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    Believe what you want to believe. For specialty events with specific rights issues, yes they do. We aren't talking about a general sports or news mix, but a specifically branded mix channel (with logos, graphics, advertisement, and special features) with trademark and copyright issues. Delicate issues. The generic mix channels and the specialty mix channels are entirely different animals. Just because DirecTV has agreements in place to retransmit NBC broadcasts across the country, does not mean they have right to unilaterally create/distribute a Olympics branded mix channel that the IOC reigns supreme over.
     
  20. John Strk

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    But yet DirecTV will have a Olympics branded VOD page and logos with on demand highlights from the games. Or at least I think they have had this before.
     

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