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DIRECTV and Tivo to Launch new HD DVR in 2010

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Tom Robertson, Sep 3, 2008.

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  1. Apr 4, 2009 #2881 of 3658
    jacmyoung

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    We know D* had talked about a new DVR to be available in 2010, described as an MRV DVR that will support client units. Otherwise D* has been totally silent on any other new hardware platform developement.

    Based on what TiVo is saying, the delay of the new TiVo DVR was caused by D*, because D* would not make the new TiVo box available until D*'s own new HD platform is ready.

    Reading between the lines, D* does not want to see the new TiVo box out unless their own new MRV DVR is ready. If this is true, the reason maybe D* does not want to have only one option for its subs and be forced to pay TiVo that "significantly higher fee."

    So this new TiVo DVR's future is dependent on when D* will make their own new DVR available, only then both of them will be out. To me it becomes a matter of trying to guess usually how fast D* rolled out an all-new hardware as they said they would.

    Of course all this only came out of TiVo's end, D* is still silent. But at least if TiVo is telling the whole truth, we can try to guess by finding out what is the progress on that new D* MRV DVR.
     
  2. Apr 4, 2009 #2882 of 3658
    harsh

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    All items except perhaps the last. For item 6 (DIRECTV2Go) you would kindly substitute TiVo2Go.
     
  3. Apr 4, 2009 #2883 of 3658
    harsh

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    If you believe TiVo, the DishDVR 508. ;)
     
  4. Apr 4, 2009 #2884 of 3658
    erickufrin

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    Weak!

    Tivo is losing big money every day this new product is not on the market! :nono2:

    I was "waiting" for Tivo to come out with its new box before adding another HD box to my home. Well forget it.

    By the time this hits the market the DTV branded boxes will be able to do everything tivo can do. No reason to spend more or wait forever.
     
  5. Apr 5, 2009 #2885 of 3658
    jacmyoung

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    TiVo isn't losing money rather making some profit, but that is because they are not adding any new subs so their cost of SAC is very low right now.

    But TiVo is losing subs that is for sure, at an ever faster pace. I agree by this time next year, it might be too late, and D* apparently is in no hurry to help.
     
  6. Apr 5, 2009 #2886 of 3658
    Tom Robertson

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    TiVo is losing "opportunity money" everyday. :)

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  7. Apr 5, 2009 #2887 of 3658
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    The Directv HR2X receivers that I own have this really cool feature.

    Press button..... nothing happens.
    Press button again.... nothing happens.
    Press button a third time... wait.... then watch all 3 button presses register (3 flashes).

    Will the Tivo have this cool feature? I'm not sure I could enjoy TV without it.
     
  8. Apr 5, 2009 #2888 of 3658
    jacmyoung

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    The reason? How about D* is trying not to pay it:)

    Even by TiVo's own account, the new D*TiVo could have been available soon, but D* would not let it happen until D*'s own new DVR platform DVRs are available to D*'s own subs.

    Apparently there is not much TiVo can do. It does not strike me as D* has much obligation to roll out the new D*TiVo, what do you think?
     
  9. Apr 5, 2009 #2889 of 3658
    Mike Bertelson

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    A couple of people have said this now.

    Where exactly does it say we're waiting until DirecTv releases a new platform?

    The way I read it (and already posted why) TiVo is working on software for an existing DirecTV platform.

    Now I suspect this would be the HR23. It has the BCM7401 (uses the same firmware as all the other HR2x's) but is different from the other HR2x's.

    We still don't know what other capabilities the HR23 has that isn’t in the previous models (other then broadband tuners).

    I think, if anything, the HR23 is the new platform.

    I guess that would make those that believe it will be an existing receiver and those that believe it will be a new platform, both correct. :grin:

    Mike
     
  10. Apr 5, 2009 #2890 of 3658
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    That IS cool. Although my favorite HR21 feature that I absolutely love, is having to do a reset twice a week.
     
  11. Apr 5, 2009 #2891 of 3658
    Mike Bertelson

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    That is very unusual. You should never have to reset so there is obviously something wrong with your system. I have HR2x's and never have to reset them.

    You should start a thread and see if we can't help you figure it out.

    BTW, these post are way off topic and we need to steer back....

    :backtotop

    Mike
     
  12. Apr 5, 2009 #2892 of 3658
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    According to Doug, correct me if I am wrong, the HR23 is not the new platform. Besides, there is no reason to believe HR23 will not be out until 2010, that is just too far off, and yet TiVo said themselves the new D*TiVo will not be out until 2010, when the D* new platform is out.
     
  13. Apr 5, 2009 #2893 of 3658
    Mike Bertelson

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    The HR23-700 is out now. I believe Doug hasn't specified either way...but I could be wrong. :grin:

    TiVo said, both in previous and current documents, that the delay would be, in part, due to working with multiple suppliers (other reasons too). IMO all the issues are related to current conditions with current hardware and not to some future system.

    Mike
     
  14. Apr 5, 2009 #2894 of 3658
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    That is awesome. Do you have the TiVo2Go?
     
  15. Apr 5, 2009 #2895 of 3658
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    If the HR23 is already out, do you think it is a new platform or not? I think not.

    What does the term "DIRECTV’s broadband-enabled HD DVR platform " mean? To me it means that new generation D* MRV DVR server D* had mentioned to be available in 2010.

    And what does this mean: "We may face significant technological, third party supplier and other challenges in our development of the TiVo service for DIRECTV’s broadband-enabled HD DVR platform, any of which could delay or prevent us from delivering the new product."

    That means even the 2010 time frame is not ensured, there can be further delay or the thing may not even come out.
     
  16. Apr 5, 2009 #2896 of 3658
    Mike Bertelson

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    Ok good point. :)

    One could argue that the whole HR2x series are broadband-enabled HD DVRs, the HR23 in particular.

    They all have broadband network capabilities. The HR23 has wideband tuners.

    IOW, I don’t think that a “broadband-enabled HD DVR” is necessarily any different from the current HR2x line.

    Could the HR23, with a larger hard drive, be a whole house HD/MRV server? I think so.

    You tell me. What could “broadband-enabled HD DVR” mean that would indicate it’s a new platform and couldn't be the current HR23?

    At any rate, IMHO, if it is a new system it won’t be a whole new generation but another step in the current line. It’s one of the reasons I think it will be based on the HR23. Hey, it’s all just a guess. :grin:

    Mike
     
  17. Apr 5, 2009 #2897 of 3658
    Draconis

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    I highly doubted it would be. It's coming, it's only a matter of time.
     
  18. Apr 5, 2009 #2898 of 3658
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    I've said it before but most likely what will happen is that there is a new receiver in the works, an HR30 if you will. It will be built from the ground up with the ability to have either Tivo or DirecTV DVR+.

    We already know that DirecTV is working on a new receiver and certainly a new server architecture for 2010 per recent conference calls. The current HR2x series is already getting long in the tooth and set to be replaced anyway. Why would Tivo (or DirecTV) want to put their software on hardware that is soon getting replaced?

    Maybe that's what they were going to do at first but doesn't make much sense at this point, get on the new platform so you have some future.

    As for Tivo, I found more interesting that they are down to 1.7 million DirecTivo's in service. With many customers having multiple there may only be just over a million people left with a DirecTivo on their account. A year from now this may be down to half a million easy. Meanwhile there are nearly 9 million DirecTV customers with HD and/or DVRs with record low churn and over 50% uptake on these advanced products. Tivo certainly has a huge uphill battle to be sure to have a success with this new product.
     
  19. Apr 5, 2009 #2899 of 3658
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    Since we are talking about a new D* HD dvr. Whats the chance we will see D* doing a system like XStreamHD using Spaceway 2 as a spotbeamed delivery system. In the XstreamHD receiver you could have 2 hard drives 1 TB each. You could use one for the dvr the other for the satellite recieved movies.
     
  20. Apr 5, 2009 #2900 of 3658
    Mike Bertelson

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    My only problem with this theory is that it originally was slated to release in the second half of 2009.

    At the time the HR23 was still not released (first looks in the beginning of Nov '08).

    I would believe that the HR23-700 will have it's -100/-200 counter-parts and they haven't been released yet.

    Now I ask myself, would DirecTV want the first of the next generation flagship HD-DVRs to be a DirecTiVo followed by the DirecTV version.

    IMO...

    YES – Only if they are getting out of the DVR business. Further since the HR23 isn’t even in the retail chain yet (I don’t think) how would releasing a -100 or -200 model, followed by a new flagship HD-DVR, followed by a DirecTiVo version of the new model fit into a time line.

    NO – If they want to have a single HD line with either the DirecTV or the DirecTiVo software.

    One could argue that the fact that the HR23 seems to be stalled could be an indication that the HR2x is a dead line and that we’ll see a next gen DVR later this year.

    If that’s the case why go through the trouble of field testing the HR23, releasing it, and installing it for new subs when there are plenty of HR21/HR22s available?

    I think there is more to the HR23 then meets the eye but I have nothing to back that up. ;)

    Mike
     
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