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DIRECTV App / Jailbreak discussions

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Connected Home' started by Stuart Sweet, Oct 27, 2011.

  1. dualsub2006

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    It's not a valid question as Chris isn't the only one that sees D*'s point on this.
     
  2. Chris Blount

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    :lol: Always love it when this crops up. You are not the first to say this and certainly not the last but don't expect me to fall into that trap.

    As far as the app and jailbreaking, as others have said, there are two sides to everything. I just happen to be on the side that some don't like. Can't please everyone I guess.
     
  3. Shades228

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    I think what most people object to is the entitlement mentality that you should be able to do whatever you want with anyone's product.

    I haven't purchased an apple product because I didn't want to contribute to the Apple machine that I don't agree with. With that said I also believe that companies have the right to protect their IP and just because they choose to do something that people don't like doesn't mean it's the wrong thing for that company.

    I voided my warranty on my phone day 1 by rooting it. I don't get pissed off at the company for not supporting it anymore because it's a choice I made. I also don't get upset at companies that do things to remove my device because of what I've done. I just choose to do business with people that agree with what I want.

    I don't think banning the UDID is the right move as it could impact someone who didn't do something. I know that if people get it banned they won't tell someone it's banned. I think they should ban the account from being able to use the app after a warning. Then the hacks wouldn't matter anymore.
     
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    Its still a bone headed option. Ban someone's account because the JB their iOS device? Really?

    What if someone changes their mind? :nono2:
     
  5. tuff bob

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    It's my product, I've bought and paid for the iPad. So either now I have to use the iPad in a way that a third party - DirecTV - dictates, or I have to delete their app to avoid risking a permanent blacklist.
     
  6. Scott Kocourek

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    I believe that is the choice you have to make because of a choice you made earlier.
     
  7. tuff bob

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    It shouldn't be a choice I have to make. Anyway, DirecTV have forced me to make a choice, the DirecTV has been deleted.

    The problem is basically the permanent UDID blacklisting. That is a ridiculous overreaction because someone wants to change the iPad's font from Helvetica.
     
  8. Scott Kocourek

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    I have been able to confirm that DIRECTV is Not blacklisting UDID's.
     
  9. tuff bob

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    That's good about the UDID info. Hopefully DirecTV is collecting info on how many jb devices they see and its enough of a motivation for them to offer a version of the app without streaming (or disable the in-app streaming)
     
  10. cypherx

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    Or better yet, DRM the streaming much like the high profile content available from HBOGo, MaxGo and Netflix , all available on a jail broken iPad. That's what DRM is for.... To protect the content. Besides if the stream is protected they could offer it on more devices (web browsers on PC's mac's, androids, game consoles, etc) - much like HBO, ESPNGo and Netflix do today.
     
  11. Chris Blount

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    Ok here is the deal folks.

    The content on the app IS protected via DRM. Is there data somewhere that shows it is NOT protected?

    This app isn't just one provider. DirecTV licenses the content from SEVERAL providers and they don't all have the same rules thus a lock must be placed on the entire app.

    Just because the good people here at DBSTalk do not steal content doesn't mean other jail breakers are NOT doing it.

    There will be no jailbreak lite.

    I don't know how much simpler I can make this. There is a method to the madness. It's not like DirecTV wants to do it this way.

    Call me a shill or whatever but I know the background of what is happening and the reasons behind it. Some day things may change so I guess we need to all suck it up for now.
     
  12. cypherx

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    That's a shame they will never allow streaming to a PC then. On both windows and Mac I have full access to the filesystem and tcp/ip stack. Too bad HBO style DRM isn't enough. A shame you can watch a 5 star R rated movie on a PC or jail broken iPad via HBOGo app (or website). Full frontal nudity, adult themes and language, and high profile blockbuster hits... You name it.

    A shame we can do that but god forbid we watch "house hunters" on HGTV via an iPad we paid for locked behind DirecTv.com credentials we are given from service we pay for.
     
  13. TBlazer07

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    Sadly the "cat and mouse" game will continue. At least it should keep a couple programmers on both sides busy fighting each other. :lol:
     
  14. cypherx

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    Short of creating some sort of "sandbox" or VM to execute protected apps... Your right.
     
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    The game will eventually end as DirecTV and other providers will eventually offer streaming of all channels outside of the home to iOS and Android devices.
     
  16. dualsub2006

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    I agree with you, eventually TV will be available everywhere. That doesn't mean that D* will stop blocking jailbroken devices.

    And, to date, D* doesn't have any app that provides streaming to Android devices. Assuming they do the same thing, rooted devices will be blocked.

    In the event that D* eventually offers streaming outside the home, that in no way means the jailbreak cat & mouse game will end.
     
  17. cypherx

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    Right because proper DRM would be needed not just for an iPad, but how would you protect your content on a machine that has full access to it's hard drive, memory and network subsystems? A common Windows, Linux or Mac OS system does not have the same sandbox style restrictions one has in an unmodified off the shelf iPad.

    It's already known that DirecTV chose NDS VideoGuard Connect DRM as stated earlier in this thread supported by a link.

    NDS even states VideoGuard Connect DRM has an "Industry-leading security rating in an independent security audit, with approval by major Hollywood studios" I know one of the points pointed out earlier was that maybe because DirecTV licenses content from several sources they are resorting to this ban. Well this NDS solution has approval by major Hollywood studios. This is why I think if a secure DRM platform was in place, this app along with it's streaming could be used on any hardware that has full access to it's root file system.. be that an iPad or a Windows / Mac / Linux computer, whatever it may be. If NDS wasn't trusted, I don't think DirecTV would of signed up with them for this product.

    If DirecTV is available anywhere, what's to stop me from doing memory dumps and analysis on the PC? The DRM is there to obscure and protect content so it cannot be duplicated unfairly. If it can do that on a PC it can do that on an iPad period.
     
  18. saunderse4

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    And this is why you use a Slingbox. That way Directv can't tell me how I watch their broadcast tv on any of my devices I own. Oh and I get live streaming of all of there channels not just the ones they choose for me in their app. To be honest the live stream is a joke with Directv.
     
  19. cypherx

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    Right, sounds like a plan.


    I was gonna suggest that DirecTV just make the app require iOS 5 since there was no jailbreak for it on an ipad2, but guess what was released today.... Looks like I may redo my iPad this weekend!
     
  20. dualsub2006

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    compared to what? Dish doesn't have live streaming. My local cable company doesn't have an app, let alone live streaming.

    Compared to a Slingbox? Well, that's a totally different product and isnt included at no extra charge with my subscription.

    If I'm missing the joke, please help me out.
     

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