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DirecTV & Dish Network HD Channel Lineup Comparison

Discussion in 'General Satellite Discussion' started by Hoosier205, Aug 26, 2010.

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  1. Hoosier205

    Hoosier205 New Member

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    The errors in color coding are minor and will be updated tonight. I have not had access to the files themselves for the last several days.
     
  2. carl.066

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    Don't forget Encore East HD Channel 535, WCBS-HD Channel 390, KCBS-HD, Channel 391, WNBC-HD Channel 392, KCBS-HD Channel 393, WABC-HD Channel 396, KABC-HD Channel 397, WNYW-HD Channel 398 and KTTV-HD Channel 399.
     
  3. Hoosier205

    Hoosier205 New Member

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    Encore East HD is already listed, it just doesn't have the "East" label applied. I am thinking about adding the DNS HD channels as well, but I'm not certain about that from the Dish Network perspective. Perhaps James can answer this...does Dish offer any of them? Thanks.
     
  4. carl.066

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    No. Several years ago, Dish got their wrists slapped by the FCC for offering DNS channels to those who were not eligible. Dish shut them off to everyone, and a separate entity, All American Direct was formed and offered
    San Francisco and Atlanta major network stations on the Dish Network's EchoStar 7 satellite at 119 degrees. However, they do not currently offer them in HD. Some day, perhaps.
     
  5. Hoosier205

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    Alright, I've fixed some things and added the DNS channels (although they are not being counted at this point). I am sure I missed a few things, but it is late.
     
  6. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    DirecTV lists and counts them ... if having the other provider offer them was the standard we would not be able to count full time RSNs and PPV Porn. The channel list/count would be much smaller, and equal ... just the channels both systems carry.

    DISH has regained the authority to offer distants but has not made the offer to customers in most markets. Only customers in a few markets added in June have been given distants.

    As far as counting I generally don't consider them national channels. The availability is extremely limited. While some customers may be grandfathered when their locals were added, people who have a network in their local market cannot add that network as a distant. When you're looking at 14 million or 18 million subscribers and only a few hundred thousand at best can legally receive the channels it is hard for me to consider them available.

    In DirecTV's count (which remains in error due to their not keeping up with new channels) they count all eight distants for themselves and the four networks for DISH. Even though neither DirecTV nor DISH offers all four networks in every market and both companies are legally prohibited from offering distants to a vast majority of their customers.

    I believe it is easier, and better, to give a national channel list and count and note "plus local channels or distant networks - availability varies by market".
     
  7. Hoosier205

    Hoosier205 New Member

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    Thanks James. That was very helpful.
     
  8. bobl

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    Hoosier,

    You still need to fix both of the items I mentioned a few posts back. CSN West hasn't existed for over two years. It's name was changed to CSN California. You show both names in your list. You need to delete CSN West and show CSN California as being carried by Dish on a part-time basis. Also, Discovery Kids was recently renamed The Hub.
     
  9. carl.066

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    It's your list and you can include whatever you want. But the fact is that some of the national channels you list are viewed by significantly fewer subs than are the eight distants.
     
  10. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Viewed or available for subscription?

    PPV HD are the most common target of such a complaint. Who watches them? But every PPV HD is available at a price to every customer. Blacked out RSNs also receive that complaint, however most blacked the content is available (for a price) to every customer.

    Distant networks are NOT available at any price to the vast majority of customers. It isn't a question of the popularity of the content (which most customers get via local channels, not distants). It is a question of availability.
     
  11. carl.066

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    The easiest way to solve the issue is to put an asterisk on the DNS channels, saying "Not available to most subscribers".
     
  12. bobl

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    Have mentioned this twice and yet your update doesn't include these two fixes. I assume you don't care so I won't mention it again.
     
  13. Hoosier205

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    Let's not be overly dramatic here. I will fix them tonight. It was an error on my part. Apologies.
     
  14. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

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    Not to worry.

    Most of us know this is voluntary (and appreciated) information you provide....
     
  15. bobl

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    Not a big deal but mentioning the fix three times is my limit. I do appreciate the list you've created and maintained.
     
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    James Long

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    Updated for the addition of PixL HD to DISH Network and the removal of MSG/MSG+/CSN CA.

    [PDF Updated]
     
  17. bobl

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    Hate to complain but the update you just did failed to fix one of the corrections I suggested. You fixed the CSN California situation, including showing the current disputed nature for that channel, but you didn't rename Discovery Kids to The Hub. That name change ocurred a couple of months ago.
     
  18. Hoosier205

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    I'll fix it. A rename of a channel that neither provider offers in HD.
     
  19. bobl

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    Clearly, renaming a channel whiich neither provider provides in HD isn't partiularly important, however, I'm just trying to help keep the chart as accurate as possible. Seems as though what I'm saying is being taken as criticism. The only criticism is that when I've mentioned items to be fixed I've had to mention them multiple times. The bottom line is I like the chart, I appreciate your efforts and I'd just like to see it be as accurate as possible.
     
  20. tivoboy

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    Does the lack of DNC Distant Network Coverage in HD for DISH mean that if they don't cover your local Networks in HD, you WON'T GET THEM IN HD? I'm in 22901, Charlottesville, VA and Directv doesn't offer locals, but DOES offer New York, NY feeds. I would like to switch to DISH for some foreign language programming, but don't want to lose HD NETWORKS
     
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