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DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q2 2011 Thread)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Scott Kocourek, Mar 17, 2011.

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  1. whatliesbeyond

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    That would be me. I guess I'll just play it safe and assume the past is a good indication of the future.
     
  2. whatliesbeyond

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    Politely declined when the price was not agreeable? And life went on just like before? I must say, you have an unusually cordial family. That's nice to hear, and I mean that sincerely.
     
  3. georule

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    As a former 20 yr Comcast guy, I boggle at the idea that nationwide cable stacks up favorable in informing their customers better than D* does.

    No Comcaster who was trying to find out where in a two+ year schedule that their particular system would be getting "World of More" would find that a credible statement. No Comcaster who read somewhere that Comcast had signed a distribution deal with a new channel trying to find out what that meant as to when *they* would get it, would find that a credible statement.
     
  4. tonyd79

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    One of the reasons I switched my internet and local TV (adjacent market that DirecTV doesn't give me and I have no line of sight to the stations) from Comcast to Fios was because I live in a Comcast area that is still way behind the times. They give the locals but not all the sub channels and no DC locals in HD (they have them in SD only). The problem is that the Comcast system here is still antiquated and even though they started the analog reclaim project, it has been three years without additional HD space. And no specific word on when they will get there. I know many customers who dropped Comcast and went to DirecTV or Fios because of the lack of HD on Comcast in my county and the lack of information on what will happen. All the while, they play thos happy Xfinity commercials and do mailings that say how great Comcast Xfinity is.
     
  5. James Long

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    We're only related by blood, we don't have to live with each other. :D

    After a while it works out - the family member sells the car to someone else (probably for a better price than the "family discount") and you can't hold a grudge forever. It isn't worth losing family over.

    Just like with the GSN/DirecTV issue. DirecTV isn't likely to sell their share of GSN over this disagreement. And the family will benefit from any sale of HD carriage to other providers.
     
  6. mws192

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    Telco and cable companies have to announce any programming additions in the state of CT. Any removals must be given 30 days advanced notice when time permits. All rate and package changes have to be sent in as well. They are all posted for the general public which is pretty helpful considering that most of the time they show up on the state website prior to any other announcements from the companies themselves.

    http://www.dpuc.state.ct.us/DPUCUndocketed.nsf/88f12116235902e185256a860056babb?OpenView (take a look at the 6/10 AT&T or 5/20 Cablevision CATV Tariffs if you're curious)

    I had Cablevision for several years and can tell you that CT was the only state they had to do this for. Folks in Cablevision's NY and NJ footprint used the CT DPUC website for their news, since like D*, Cablevision was tip lipped about new additions.
     
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    And how much do you pay in satellite/cable taxes?

    You can argue that a customer has an expectation to know x days before a channel is removed...it is not a right because it is not in the contract. But there is no reasonable expectation to know before a channel is added.

    There are many things people WANT to know but have no particular right to know. Missing deadlines look bad for companies, regardless of whose fault it might be. That makes the stock price drop and makes it harder for the company to move forward with plans. The best way not to disappoint the public by missing a deadline: don't set deadlines that you tell to the public.
     
  8. maartena

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    Some, but not much. The CURRENT edition of Family Feud (not on GSN) with Steve Harvey is not even shot in HD, and many of the shows that GSN broadcasts are pre-2005 game shows. Television-studio cameras for

    I would imagine that High Stakes Poker that they show in the weekend is shot in HD, and maybe shows that were pulled off the main broadcasters from recent years, such as Deal or No Deal.... but a big portion of their content isn't in HD. Drew Carey's new Improv show may be shot in HD since it was recorded just this year in the MGM Grand, I they probably invested in HD cams for their televised shows.

    It would be nice to have, as together with OWN, my mostly house-bound wife due to an illness GSN is one of the networks she mostly watches. I would suspect though that OWN has about 10 times more HD content then GSN does, but I could be wrong.
     
  9. Mike Bertelson

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    I'm also in CT and last month my taxes/fees totaled $18.09.

    Local cable has to be licensed by the CT State Dept of Public Utilities. For some reason the same rules don't apply to satellite.

    Mike
     
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    Could this be because of past infrastructure investments? E.g. has the state every paid to "cable" communities back in the 80ties or so, and this is their way of saying: You are using infrastructure partly funded by the state, so now you have to abide by our rules.

    Or...... Maybe they can implement such a rule because 90% of the main infrastructure (not counting cables that run to houses) is actually on public land, such as alongside roads on poles or in conduits under city owned pavement, etc?

    Satellite is pretty much 100% private land. A dish on YOUR roof, and cables through YOUR walls. It does not utilize any public land whatsoever. If you rent it may be on the roof of an apartment building not owned by you, but still owned by a private entity.

    Another reason might be that DirecTV isn't actually a registered business in CT. They may have clients there, they may have local independent contractors that they do business with for installing their services, but that doesn't mean they are actually a registered business with the state. Think Internet businesses, they are also registered in only the states where they have a physical presence with an registered office.
     
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    Two things I am noticing here: Who determines what exactly falls under "when time permits", and second, the 5/20 Cablevision announcement is an announcement for an addition only 4 days later, not 30 days.

    Also, I would imagine that when a carrier and a network finally sign an agreement, they are not going to want to wait 30 days to launch it, they will launch it asap.
     
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    I would suspect you are correct on this one - but I can't say 100%. But it is a logic thought!
     
  13. Mike Bertelson

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    It has nothing to do with infrastructure. Those taxes are a legacy that predates the income tax.

    Prior to 1991 there was no income tax so these kinds of taxes were the sole means of revenue. Every state department got it's budget from some sort of tax or fee. Most of these kinds of taxes/fees were supposed to go away after the income taxes but, for the most part, that didn’t happen. This is why we pay ≈63.6¢ (18.4¢ is Federal) in taxes per gallon of per gallon of gas (fourth behind CA, NY, & HI) and ≈11% in taxes and “gross revenue fees” (whatever the heck those are) on my DirecTV bill.

    I think the taxes/fees are the same as cable but the regulatory requirements are different. Thus the reason DirecTV doesn’t have to report channel lineup changes. I don’t know how that would work in other states.

    Personally, I don’t care if I get prior notice as along as I get BBCA and DIY in HD then I’m a happy guy. :D

    Mike
     
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    I wasn't talking about any taxes, I was talking about the law that CT has in the books that tells "wired" companies to announce their channel changes, where "unwired" (satellite) companies don't have to announce it.

    I am just wondering..... how the state got carriers that are "on the ground" to report channel lineup changes to the state, where satellite companies don't have to.
     
  15. Mike Bertelson

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    Honestly, I don't really know what CT actually requires (although someone else has already posted what is required so I’ll believe that).

    It wasn't until the late nineties that satellite came onto the scene so I suspect that since they don't need a license to operate as a "public utility" they're not required to meet the same licensing requirements.

    It very well could be that you’re right. The cable co’s need state land and equipment (poles and such) to operate and that means they need to be licensed to do so...makes sense to me.

    Mike
     
  16. Cable_X

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    I agree. Three more Wednesdays and Q3 will be here.
     
  17. Beerstalker

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    For those of you complaining about DirecTV not announcing chanel additions way in advance, can you give me an example of a provider than has made a national announcement like that? I can't think of any that have lately, does Dish? The last announcement like that I can remember is actually the announcement DirecTV made last spring about the additions they made later that summer.

    This doesn't include local area announcements like Comcast/Cablevision, etc. do. Those are completely different because they only effect a small percentage of their total subscribers. I don't think I have ever seen a press release like "Comcast adding 20 new HD channels to every HD subscriber package in the US", because they just don't have the ability to do that.
     
  18. mws192

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    The simple answer is that the state of CT does not regulate DBS companies b/c there is no law on the books here that says they can. What they do regulate is telecommunications (ties into UVerse and the one town in the state with FiOs) and they regulate franchising for cable companies.

    With that regulation they require cable and telco's to supply reasonably up-to-date channel listings, along with notices of rate and programming changes. Local municipalities here can also require similar notices as part of their franchise agreement, which is what I think we tend to see nationwide. Since DBS doesn't need franchising agreements, they aren't obligated to do the same.

    Mission: http://www.ct.gov/dpuc/cwp/view.asp?a=3157&q=404410&dpucNav_GID=1702

    What they don't do: http://www.ct.gov/dpuc/cwp/view.asp?a=3352&q=404076
     
  19. georule

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    Cable franchises have historically been considered to be in the generic bucket "public utility", and regulatable and taxable by local authorities. DBS has not. The infrastructure impact on the community is certainly part of that. Plus, usually, (at least pre90s when most cable was being run), cableco's usually wanted exclusive rights as part of those deals. Dunno what would happen if some local government tried to act like DBS were public utilities inside their boundaries and tax them accordingly. Probably there is federal law pre-empting it, but I don't know for sure.
     
  20. James Long

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    I believe that issue has been covered well ... there are only two national providers. Everyone else adds national channels regionally.

    Years ago both national providers pre announced capacity and channels - but both have got out of that habit.

    DirecTV's big announcement last year helped keep customers interested in the service. It wasn't intended to be a promise that every channel addition would be pre announced ... but it was needed since DirecTV had gone so long since anything was added (only 6 non-PPV additions in 2009). Nearly 18 months with three additions in the middle.

    DISH often doesn't announce channels even AFTER they have been added ... and while DirecTV did their big add of 27 channels plus 13 PPVs in 2010 DISH quietly added 27 channels and 6 PPVs.

    I expect both companies will continue making quiet unannounced HD additions. It is a lot safer than promising a big list then having something go wrong.
     
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