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DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q4-11 Thread)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Stuart Sweet, Sep 28, 2011.

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  1. Dec 5, 2011 #681 of 877
    maartena

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    The "Stupid Basketball" might very well be the reason why you will get TruHD in the first place. March Madness will be upon us again in 2012, and if the schedule again puts games on TruTV, chances are high you will get TruTV HD permanently by the end of February.

    There is however, based on SatelliteRacer's earlier comments, also a chance there will just be a temporary feed, and the full HD version will come after the summer of 2012. To quote, SatelliteRacer used the words "more likely within 18 months" in March 2011 on a question whether it will indeed before the end of this year, which would put us at September 2012 at the latest.
     
  2. Dec 5, 2011 #682 of 877
    maartena

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    So more Premium HD and more Premium Sports HD then? Because that is what DirecTV has been adding mostly in the last 12+ months, and they added almost half a million customers in that same period.

    (Hint: Dish, Comcast and TWC added what is considered "basic" HD channels a lot, and LOST a lot of customers).

    Adding basic HD channels don't mean more subscribers apparently.... but adding Premium and Sports.... does.
     
  3. Dec 5, 2011 #683 of 877
    maartena

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    It doesn't use 3x the bandwidth, it is just mapped to three channel numbers on your receiver.

    Same with sports games..... if you can see it on your local sports RSN, there usually isn't another feed taking up bandwidth for the sports premiums, it is just the same feed but then not blacked out for subscribers to a Premium sports package.
     
  4. Dec 5, 2011 #684 of 877
    loudo

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    I could also could care less about the"Stupid Basketball", I want to see it for its regular programing. :D
     
  5. Dec 5, 2011 #685 of 877
    scoop8

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    I would imagine that if what we contstantly read on this forum about basics being a primary reason for subs to switch providers or how D* apparently is behind everyone else, we'd see the #'s reflect the discontent with rapidly-falling sub's.
     
  6. Dec 5, 2011 #686 of 877
    georule

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    I have a suspicion, that I have no way to verify, that the large increase in locals availability that D* accomplished after the launch of D12 and amelioration of D10 had a lot to do with it. Yes, they were smaller markets to begin with, but even smaller markets add up when you do a bunch of them in a shortish period of time.

    I mention this from time to time here, in the hopes that Tom or SR will say I'm right or wrong. . . but so far they've both avoided the bait.
     
  7. Dec 6, 2011 #687 of 877
    thelucky1

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    With all due respect maartena. You are assuming again. You do not have actual market research to support your opinion. :) There can be any number of reasons for adding and losing customers, your stated opinion "may" be one of them.
     
  8. Dec 6, 2011 #688 of 877
    maartena

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    That's the great thing about an OPINION. An opinion doesn't mean they are factual, it just means it is an OPINION. ;)

    But these facts ARE clear:

    1) DirecTV added 1 Basic HD channel in 2011. (AMC HD).
    2) DirecTV added 13 Premium HD channels in 2011. (HBO, Cinemax).
    3) DirecTV had a great NFL Sunday Ticket Premium Sports deal.
    4) DirecTV added local HD for a number of new DMA's.
    5) DirecTV added more than half a million customers in the 1st, 2nd, and 3d quarters of 2011. (184k in the 1st, 26k in the 2nd, 327k in the 3d)

    People that are signing up for DirecTV are not joining DirecTV because of their great basic HD lineup, if they cared about that after all.... they would have gone for Dish, who has more basic HD for less money. No.... they signed up for premium programming, mainly being Sports such as NFL, and secondary because their market finally offered local channels in HD, although those DMA's are all relatively small.

    Furthermore, I think we can agree that those who bother to post on forums like DBSTalk, are probably among the customers with the most demands, and the most criticism. And the fact that a large number of people who have voiced their dissent with DirecTV for certain missing channels, have NOT taken the steps to change to a provider that DOES offer those channels, seems to support that "basic HD" is not the deciding factor..... rather other services that DirecTV offers, such as e.g. Premium channels, the quality of the equipment, the customer service, the add-on services (e.g apps, streaming, ipad stuff etc) and the inconvenience of change weigh in just as heavy in making the decision to switch or not to switch.

    Either way, "basic HD" is not what makes or breaks the deal. By far.
     
  9. Dec 6, 2011 #689 of 877
    Laxguy

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    +1.

    Is there a decent defintion, one that maybe 75% of us might agree upon, of what is basic and what isn't?
     
  10. Dec 6, 2011 #690 of 877
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    Again with all due respect, (sounds like I hit a nerve).

    You state your opinion as if it's fact. Which it is not, it's just your opinion. Stating your opinion is fine.

    Whether "basic HD" does or does not break the deal, really depends on each individual customer's preferences. For some of my friends (high income businessmen for example), it has been a deal breaker. They do NOT want to watch basic SD on their large home theater systems.

    Having said that, I have been a Directv subscriber for many years and at this time, I am "somewhat satisfied" with the "basic HD" offerings. I would like to have much more "basic HD" than we currently have. I simply don't want to go through the hassle of changing providers.

    If I was a new customer considering my options, YES it would be a deal breaker for me. To each his own! :)
     
  11. Dec 6, 2011 #691 of 877
    maartena

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    Channels offered in one of the basic packages, being Choice, Choice Extra and Choice Ultimate, without having to pay an extra fee to add those channels.

    The fine line comes with things like the "HD Extra Package", which is technically a premium package.
     
  12. Dec 6, 2011 #692 of 877
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    I would imagine a HIGH income businessman might also be much more interested in premium sports packages and premium movie channels, which might offset the difference of not being able to watch certain "basic" channels in HD.

    Personally, in my humble opinion ( :D ) I think packages like NFL Sunday Ticket are probably a much bigger dealbreaker then the absence of TruTV HD for instance.

    Especially since TruTV doesn't exactly broadcast programming that would appeal to the intelligence of said businessmen.....but of course.... entertainment is in the eye of the beholder and not for me to judge.
     
  13. Dec 6, 2011 #693 of 877
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    Yes, it could be a deal breaker for an individual consumer, but DirecTV (nor any other large company) does not deal in individual consumers. And that is what maartena is speaking to.

    There is always variation in any population, but, we have evidence that basic HD is not a large driving force for consumers as a whole.
     
  14. Dec 6, 2011 #694 of 877
    maartena

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    Exactly.

    Down to the bare basics, the facts are that only 1 basic HD station was added, as well as more then 500.000 new subscriptions in 2011.

    Sure, there may have been 100.000 disgruntled businessmen that left before AMC HD was launched, or left because their favorite basic HD channel is not on DirecTV, but on the reverse side of that it would mean they have added 600.000 new customers (hence a 500.000+ addition) that MOST LIKELY did not join for DirecTV's excellent basic HD lineup.

    One could also ask why Dish did LOSE so many customers, even though they DID add a bunch of "basic" HD channels. Apparently, having MORE basic HD channels than DirecTV, and adding EVEN MORE on top of that, is not what retains customers nor what brings in new ones.
     
  15. Dec 6, 2011 #695 of 877
    thelucky1

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    Yes I would agree with you on that!
     
  16. Dec 6, 2011 #696 of 877
    Hoosier205

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    Yes and it won't be decided upon by anyone here. DirecTV will (and has) decided what to classify as a basic or premium. It's been mentioned countless times. No point in any opinions on the matter. We the customer won't decide that unless we distribute/provide the product. We don't. They do.
     
  17. Dec 7, 2011 #697 of 877
    Laker44

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    Not having QVC HD was one of the many reasons why I left DirecTV. Try not having the following (which I do now):
    HLN HD
    H2 HD
    HSN HD
    GSN HD( DirecTV shared ownership)
    E! HD
    G4 HD
    TruTV HD
    Turner Classic Movies HD
    Oxygen HD
    Lifetime Movie Network HD
    ID HD
    WE HD
    Fuse HD
    NFL Red Zone (It's offered but I didn't subscribe) with is a push. DirecTV is the only provider that carries NFL Sunday Ticket, which I didn't subscribe to either.

    Will have on 12/15
    Military History HD (DirecTV doesn't even have it in SD)
    QVC HD
    Hub HD
    Own HD
    BBC America HD
    Crime & Investigation HD

    Now receiving an RSN that is closer to my DMA, but in order to receive it with DirecTV I had to subscribe to Sports Pack.
    Now receiving all Neighboring Local Channels

    Having a DVR that functions properly (example:Change channels and not have to wait 5-10 minutes, watch a recording and be able to ff and rw without the DVR locking up) and media sharing services that work properly. My computer never could find the DirecTV DVR's, within 2 hour of connecting the
    DVR to network the Tivo DVR I have now it found it.

    Will be paying $10-20 less now. I lost one channel (MLB Network) that I watched during baseball season, but will be gaining 10-15 that I will watch frequently.
     
  18. Dec 7, 2011 #698 of 877
    MysteryMan

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    As the saying goes "One man's candy can be another man's poison". Out of the list you provided only three channels would interest me so I can do without having them in HD. I'm glad your enjoying your new provider but I'll stay with DirecTV.
     
  19. Dec 7, 2011 #699 of 877
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    Originally Posted by maartena

    Personally, in my humble opinion ( ) I think packages like NFL Sunday Ticket are probably a much bigger dealbreaker then the absence of TruTV HD for instance.


    Oh common, Dont you want to see those UGLY UGLY people on hardcore pawn in HiDef clarity ! OMG YUK! , I know its not just me but are there really that many idiots In Detroit ?? and it is stereo-typical, at least on that show.
     
  20. Dec 7, 2011 #700 of 877
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    Now thats a list I WANT!!! ;)
     
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