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DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q4 2010 Thread)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Stuart Sweet, Sep 20, 2010.

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  1. Oct 9, 2010 #761 of 4034
    tonyd79

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    I've just read a few pages of interesting commentary. I have a serious question for those who contend that Directv is not supplying what the majority of customers want or Dish is sitting back and laughing. How do you reason this? Dish lost subs. Cable lost subs. (Mostly economy, perhaps). But directv is not only holding, they are growing.

    No, it does not mean they are making everyone totally happy. Maybe not even a few 100% happy. But they are making enough people happy to sign up. Or stay. Or switch to them. That says to them, at least, that they are doing better than the competition. No number of Internet posts will change that perception. You can say it will bite them in the ass but if they are not getting churn or people leaving in droves because of channels, they won't make it a priority.

    That is not to say they won't want to stay ahead of the game but in between the rants, I saw some legit viewpoints that say that the numbers say that AMC rants and other complaints are a measurable minority.

    I do agree that is stinks if you don't get what you want. But to expand that to doom and wrongheadness for a business that has it's own data, only some we are privvy to, is being pretty focused.

    I would love to hear the reasoning without the angst.
     
  2. Oct 9, 2010 #762 of 4034
    Davenlr

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    One reason for DirecTv hanging on to subs, was their decision early on, to locate all their satellites in a 4 degree slot, making it much much easier to find a (basically) single line of site to their services, rather than a spread of (61 to 77) or (110 to 129).

    Add to that the picture quality for the price (HD), and low cost for additional dvrs (monthly), and they have a lot going for them.

    Actually, I dont expect they will ever add many of the channels I watch, so I watch them from alternative sources. It would be nice if they could carry everything, but I dont see it happening as long as people are plunking out big bucks for PPV and sports subscriptions.

    After looking at Sony Movie channels schedule, that didnt impress me a bit, so hopefully it will fill a niche for enough to get them to add HD Extra pack. Im probably going to drop mine next month, when I start having to pay for netflix.

    I dont know if it would be a good business decision to pounce on DISH right now, at the loss of their few channels, as that would signal the programmers that Directv will pay whatever they want to avoid ending up in the same position. D*s lay back approach it probably best here.

    What I would like to see them do, is at least DOUBLE the bandwidth of those popular channels they dont offer in HD (BBCA, AMC, HLN, etc) so at least the SD version would be watchable on a TV larger than 26"
     
  3. Oct 9, 2010 #763 of 4034
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    No angst. I think there is always a breaking point where you have to make the decision to switch providers. I am far, far away from this point. I would say I am 92.765% happy with Directv. If AMCHD comes up, I will be 98.879 % happy. Overall Directv is the best provider I can have, even considering the fact that I am in a MDU building where my choices are limited.

    The point I am always trying to make here, however, is that this is a thread where we should demonstrate why we are not 100% happy and everybody has some channels we would love to see in HD. I don't like the PPV strategy, like many here, but I think it's pointless to complain about it. I would rather exercise my right as a customer and keep asking for the channels I like, regardless of what plans Directv has for the near future.

    The idea that we should stop complaining (or whining) and be glad we have such great provider is also wrong. We should always ask for more and better, this has always been what makes this country so wonderful.
     
  4. Oct 9, 2010 #764 of 4034
    sigma1914

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    I bolded the part I disagree with. Why is it a place where we are to show just our displeasure? You're doing what others jump on Hoosier for...trying to dictate what's allowed here. That's saying, "Come here & complain, but don't do anything but complain." That's not the point of this thread.
     
  5. Oct 9, 2010 #765 of 4034
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    While everyone is free to complain, we should all be aware that complaining in this particular thread especially is among the most ineffective ways to accomplish any sort of change. The most effective tool available to any subscriber is their wallet.

    DirecTV will certainly add more HD channels. They will do so as a business decision and that may not always match our wants as a viewer. Considering the fact that they are doing very well right now and Charlie w/ Dish Network is busy shooting himself in the foot...I can understand if they do not see a need to be even more aggressive at this time. While I would like to see several HD channels added, I also understand the way DirecTV is handling things from their perspective. At a time when many businesses are still recovering, they seem to be very healthy. We may not all be happy with the speed at which things are progressing right now, but we the customer will benefit from this in the long run.
     
  6. Oct 9, 2010 #766 of 4034
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    Well, I'm a kinder, gentler poster than that. . .

    . . . but I'd be very, very, VERY surprised if HD doubles the carriage cost when the SD version is already being carried, if both are contracted for at the same time.

    The last caveat does make a difference --an old SD contract may no longer meet market realities (or at least the possibly aggrandized perceptions of the content provider for what has happened to their fair market price since the last time the contract was negotiated if it is 2+ years old).

    Often what is more of a deal-killer is where the content provider wants that station in the MSO's packages, or an attempt to force the MSO to accept a bundle deal with other channels owned by that content provider that the MSO doesn't want as a condition of providing a reasonable price for the channel the MSO *does* want.

    But, hey, thanks for that chart of prices. . . any idea how old it is? I didn't see a date on it. And I'm a little curious just how accurate it is (these things generally don't get reported for every deal, is my understanding. . . so how much ninja work was involved here?), and how much it represents an average with some variability around the average depending on the specific deal.
     
  7. Oct 9, 2010 #767 of 4034
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    I would be curious how many of the programmers still distribute their channels in both SD and HD, and how many just force the distributors to use a downconverted HD feed for SD.
     
  8. Oct 9, 2010 #768 of 4034
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    You misunderstood my post. I never said we should be allowed to show JUST our displeasure but ALSO our displeasure. The point you are missing is that almost all posts that praises Directv (nothing wrong so far) come immediately after somebody complains about anything. It's like a Directv SWAT team is always ready to make "an extration".

    Peace, I have no beef with you. :)
     
  9. Oct 9, 2010 #769 of 4034
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    Just curious what do you think are the odds of actually getting all of these channels added to Directv in the next 6 months?

    (no particular order)

    BBC America HD
    DIY HD
    E! Entertainment Television HD
    Fashion TV HD
    G4 HD
    History International HD
    HLN HD
    Investigation Discovery HD
    Lifetime HD
    Nat Geo Wild HD
    Sportsman Channel HD
    Style HD
    truTV HD
    Turner Classic Movies HD
    Cooking Channel HD
    AMC HD
    IFC HD
    WE HD
    FMC HD
     
  10. Oct 9, 2010 #770 of 4034
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    All of 'em?!? I got 2 words for you: SLIM & NONE. I'm sure we'll get a few of 'em, but I wouldn't count on more than 25% of the ones listed.
     
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    Not sure, but that list would shut me up for a few years!
     
  12. Oct 9, 2010 #772 of 4034
    Davenlr

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    Maybe DirecTv is just waiting for the SD contract to expire, so they can pick up the HD version and drop the SD version...they could then put the HD version in the Extra pack, and force anyone that likes that channel into upgrading to HD, double coin.
     
  13. Oct 9, 2010 #773 of 4034
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    I only have an interest in two of them and both will be difficult to negotiate.
     
  14. Oct 9, 2010 #774 of 4034
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    What I don't understand about the RSN and PPV argument is its relevance to the actual thread at hand.

    Okay, D* has more RSNs and more HD PPV. Yippee. That's great. Those things have their own dedicated revenue streams, and must be profitable on their own.

    So why do they have any relevance *at all* to D*'s ability to add more national HD in the context of 34 empty slots on D12? There's not a cost issue caused by having more RSNs and PPVs than the competition --those things pay for themselves.

    Why is more of one a limiting factor on the other when there is 34 slots to fill and the RSNs and PPVs pay for themselves?
     
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    Very good questions!
     
  16. Oct 9, 2010 #776 of 4034
    beachmonkey

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    Any Comcast owned channel I would not hold any hope for.. Turner and Discovery Networks have a much better chance to appear in HD on DirecTV.
     
  17. Oct 9, 2010 #777 of 4034
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    Sad, I hope you're wrong, but you are probably right on. I had someone tell me Dish has lost 30 hd channels BUT they still have more national basic HD than Directv. Hmmm really couldn't disagree.
     
  18. Oct 9, 2010 #778 of 4034
    cypherx

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    Why no Comcast owned network? If they want to merge with NBC, they better start making friends in the industry.
     
  19. Oct 9, 2010 #779 of 4034
    cmasia

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    Hey Geo.

    It's from 2009 and from a very reputable company, SNL Kagan.

    http://www.snl.com/Sectors/Media/Default.aspx

    Found it in a Google Search.

    Cheers.
     
  20. Oct 9, 2010 #780 of 4034
    beachmonkey

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    If CSN Philadelphia has any relevance to you on top of the recent Versus spat... that should clue you in.
     
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