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DIRECTV HD Receiver with TiVo (Official Q1 2011 Thread)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Mike Bertelson, Dec 28, 2010.

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  1. Jan 7, 2011 #261 of 1101
    jacmyoung

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    :D

    Right after the 08 press release I said it was a litigation stunt, over the years got burnt many times by many others for making such comment, I am just glad more and more people are coming to the dark side:)

    Not saying I was 100% correct, only that I am glad more and more of you are coming to the dark side.
     
  2. Jan 7, 2011 #262 of 1101
    Mike Bertelson

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    I wasn't laughing...I've always taken a wait for word from TiVo approach...and still take it with a grain of salt until it hit's the market.

    IOW, I won't believe anything until I see it. :D

    Mike
     
  3. Jan 7, 2011 #263 of 1101
    Sylar

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    Great discussion on this topic, and forgive me for posting the somewhat obvious at this point, but I read through this thread and did not see reports of the notice from TiVo's site regarding the agreement between them and DirecTV for a new box in "early 2011" (per DTV's site).

    I for one, despite loving my HR2X's, would instantly switch to a new DirecTivo, provided the WH service is compatible with current HR2X's. As someone pointed already, it's brainless to not be so, and the potential gains in subscriber base will be far smaller than desired without it. In the age of great TV programming with schedule conflicts aplenty, I cannot ever give this feature up again. It's more important to me than HD content, as crazy as that sounds. I'd much rather catch more favorite shows than have to decide to cut one out of my viewing schedule; and a better picture doesn't make up for that with me.

    All additional streamed provider content (netflix, hulu+, etc) can be fixed through a separate box of your choosing, so that would not preclude me from using the new box personally. It all hinges on WHDVR for me.

    I also have to believe we're within the 120 day release window based on the two's website notices.

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    http://www.tivo.com/products/source/satellite/tivo-directv/index.html

    http://support.directv.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/77
     
  4. Jan 7, 2011 #264 of 1101
    bonscott87

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    They have changed the date on the web site several times already so anything on either site is bogus in my opinion.

    So now we are again at "sometime in 2011" without even an "early" attached to it. Wow. Amazing as I thought it was a go but now maybe not. Last year at CES they changed their tune to "sometime in 2010" and it's now 2011. Are we looking at 2012 now?

    Tivo, just give it up, it's way to late in the game to do make an impact.
     
  5. Jan 7, 2011 #265 of 1101
    bonscott87

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    Well, I and many others have always believed this was nothing more then a bone given to Tivo by DirecTV to make sure the non-litigation clause in their contract would get renewed.

    DirecTV could care less either way if the box ever sees the light of day.
    What's beyond me is why Tivo would let this opportunity be squandered because if they delivered DirecTV most certainly would have sold it, it's in the contract after all.

    Unless Tivo themselves don't really want to release it either and it's been nothing more then a delay tactic to try and keep the few DirecTV subs they have left and to pacify Wall Street while they win more lawsuits. That hasn't gone exactly to plan either.
     
  6. Jan 7, 2011 #266 of 1101
    Scott Kocourek

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    Anyone remember the TVMail that basically stated that the new DirecTV HD Tivo would be out soon? :lol: How long ago was that?
     
  7. Jan 7, 2011 #267 of 1101
    Stuart Sweet

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    And even if this device does come to market I wouldn't hold my breath on a whole home implementation.
     
  8. Jan 7, 2011 #268 of 1101
    SledgeHammer

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    Well, I didn't read the settlement, but I'm assuming that it included a "Tivo can make a box if they feel like it" clause.

    I'm also assuming that DirecTV would PREFER it DIDN'T get released 1) they don't have to give Tivo one red cent and they get to keep all the money themselves 2) its cheaper for DTV to only train India on one or two boxes that are pretty similiar then to have to train them on a completely different box. Same goes for the installers. Support costs are less. DTV gets to keep even more money. 3) the number of people who refuse to get DTV because it doesn't have a Tivo is probably super small and neglible.

    Now, Tivo owns certain patents that make it impossible to make a good DVR without violating those patents (just ask Dish). DirecTVs current agreement with Tivo COINCIDENTALLY expires at the same time the patents do (if I recall correctly).

    Now #2, I'm sure Tivo would like to have extra subs, but they don't really have a lot of resources to work on the DTV box. Obviously at this stage of the game, their bread & butter is on the stand-alone boxes and digital cable deals.

    I'm sure somebody at Tivo ran the numbers and figured, well, optimistically we will get x number of subs from DTV and worst case, we get 0.

    At the end of the day, "x"'s risk vs. reward ratio is probably heavy on the risk side and low on the reward side.

    Thus, I suspect the DTV project is a low priority side project for once they stabalize the SA boxes.

    DISCLAIMER: I don't work for either company, so I could be speaking out of my a$$, but I'm just reading between the lines here.
     
  9. Jan 7, 2011 #269 of 1101
    jacmyoung

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    The non-litigation clause was only one part of this DirecTV what I just called "litigation stunt" above. There are several other points which I laid out back in 08, but no point of repeating them so late in the game.
     
  10. Jan 7, 2011 #270 of 1101
    Doug Brott

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    Yes, TiVo is at CES this year. I tried to set up an appointment but that didn't work out. We got a few comments out of the folks at the front that are quite telling. First off, while they wouldn't go 100% in the affirmative, it appears as if the new DIRECTV TiVo was in fact at the show this year. They wouldn't go into any detail on what features are available but it appears to be feature complete for initial release. While they did say they were "hoping" for Q1 availability, it seemed much more certain when we said "... or April or May."

    I'm more convinced than ever that the target is narrowing down to sometime in April. I certainly would have liked to have actually seen the new technology with my own eyes, but I didn't. Since it is now feature complete, we are likely in the final testing and qualification stages before it is made available to the public.
     
  11. Jan 7, 2011 #271 of 1101
    Doug Brott

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    yeah .. don't get your hopes up ...
     
  12. Jan 7, 2011 #272 of 1101
    jacmyoung

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    Same to you my friend, and it might not even have to do with the technical readiness.
     
  13. Jan 7, 2011 #273 of 1101
    RobertE

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    Maybe they had to wait for enough HR21/22s to be sent back to be refurbed into "new" Tivos. :D
     
  14. Jan 7, 2011 #274 of 1101
    ndole

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    R.O.F.L! :rolling:
     
  15. Jan 7, 2011 #275 of 1101
    codespy

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    That was below the belt but I do have to laugh at your comment. :lol:
     
  16. Jan 8, 2011 #276 of 1101
    Lord Vader

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    As am I.
     
  17. Jan 9, 2011 #277 of 1101
    SledgeHammer

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    If thats true, how come there is no leaked info about it? I know the Tivo room is "private" / "by invite only", but in this day and age, I've rarely seen anybody keep that sort of "secret" (NDAs be damned -- the internet is anonymous after all).

    April / May is 4 months away... if that was a real date, I would have expected a teaser or two by now.

    Obviously, they ARE working on it...

    But they've been "hoping for availability" for 3yrs now :).
     
  18. Jan 9, 2011 #278 of 1101
    Mike Bertelson

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    Well I for one hope people honor their NDAs. It's how we can get access, test, and report on stuff.

    Lets not encourage anyone to violate their NDA...I'm just sayin' :grin:

    Mike
     
  19. Jan 9, 2011 #279 of 1101
    SledgeHammer

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    Oh, I wasn't encouraging anybody to violate it. I was just sayin' people do. Everybody on the internet wants to be a hero and be the first one to post something. Why do you think every message board or comment section on the net is filled with "FIRST!!"? :).
     
  20. Jan 9, 2011 #280 of 1101
    inkahauts

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    I'm thinking Tivo may be tired of getting its stock hammered every time they make a statement for a launch date and miss it by years, rather then by weeks or even months. They are better just staying quite till its actually fully ready to launch.
     
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