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DIRECTV HD Receiver with TiVo (Official Q1 2011 Thread)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Mike Bertelson, Dec 28, 2010.

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  1. jdspencer

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    I was a DirecTV with Tivo user for many years Sony Sat T60, Philips DSR6000 and then the HR10-250. But, had to move to HD DVRs when DirecV went to MPEG4 HD and the DirecTV HDTiVo wasn't yet available.
    I would be hard pressed to get back into a TiVo at this moment. From what I see from the list above, there isn't anything there to entice me back.
     
  2. Tom Robertson

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    I've talked to a couple of installers; when they mention, "would you like to watch stuff in the bedroom you've recorded in the living room?", the MRV upsells happen often. Sure, DBStalk'ers knew to ask, but cagey sales works very well for MRV> :)

    Is no MRV a disaster for TiVo? (As in any more of a disaster for the oft delayed TiVo?) Disaster seems strong as a phrase for the MRV part of the TiVo situation. I'm sure it will cut into sales, but I'm not sure disaster is quite right. (And I could be wrong.) :)

    Cheers,
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  3. Athenian

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    Actually that's not true. Most users don't know what to call it...they just ask how to see what's recorded at one TV on another. It was the most requested feature for DirecTiVos from almost the very first day. Savvy users hacked them primarily for that.

    And regular TiVo users jump to it as soon as soon as they buy their second unit. Most don't know anything about LANs and don't want to wait so they do it on the cheap with wireless adapters.

    MRV is a major selling point for U-Verse right now (as far as I'm concerned, it's just about the only thing it has going for it) -- people see the ads about watching from room to room and start to think "I want that".

    Not including MRV in the Whole Home DVR scheme is a big marketing mistake.
     
  4. RobertE

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    You'd be surprised as to what the take rate of MRV is for new customers. Just about the only time someone is not getting it with their HD service is if they are only getting one tv setup. If I had to put a number on it, 8/10 are getting MRV, might even be 9/10.

    While this box will be great for the crazy few dozen that have deprived themselves of HD for years, for the most part, it will DOA upon release.
     
  5. Darcaine

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    So the Dtivo will use the worst hardware of the HR family, have a fraction of the buffer space for the DLB, lack MRV, lack exclusive Tivo features (toGo), be saddled with an SD UI, etc, and for all of these downgrades (or just lateral-grade in the case of the UI) from my current HD DVR, I get the privilege of spending more money per month on it.

    Not really seeing the upside to Directivo anymore. I loved my original Directivo box, and hated the HD DVR when I first got it, but it's come a long ways since then. I'd expect DTivo to at least be comparable. But meh, I'll just stick to my HR and wait for the next generation of DVRs to hit.
     
  6. SledgeHammer

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    Ah, good point.
     
  7. SledgeHammer

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    I must be that 1/10 then :D. I would much rather just walk down the stairs and save myself $3/month or however much MRV costs. I don't really care about the $3/month, I make an good living. I just don't think its worth the money to save me a 3 second walk. If it was free? Sure, I'd hook it up. I still probably wouldn't use it since the good TV and home theater is downstairs. I have OTA hooked up (probably spent ~$100 or so on the equipment) and don't even really use that anymore either.

    I guess if you have 4 or 5 people in your household and you all just randomly record random stuff on whatever DVR you feel like and then randomly watch random stuff on random TVs, then yeah, it could be helpful :D.
     
  8. SledgeHammer

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    The HR2x boxes have HD GUIs? Since when? Mine doesn't.

    I was one of those who didn't want the early HR2x boxes because it didn't have DLB. I've long since moved on from DLB. One slip of the remote and you wipe your buffer. I just use the record button now. Its alot easier and fail safe :).

    I definitely prefer the HR2x inlaid video in the menus vs. the Tivos useless overlaid menus.

    Other then that, its pretty much all the same to me.

    I've got my button presses, search methology, remote control by feel, etc all dialed in for the HR2x boxes now, so I would be hard pressed to switch.

    I would switch if it gave me something that I wanted, but probably not if they charge extra per month. I don't think there is anything I would want that could make me cough up more $$$ / month for what I already consider overpriced service.
     
  9. ndole

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    No, but they will. *Soon*. The THR22-100 may never see one.
     
  10. SledgeHammer

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    Haven't they been saying that we would get a HD GUI for a few years now?

    Quickie Poll: Which will see the light of day first? :D

    1) The new DTivo
    2) HD GUI on any DTV box
    3) Duke Nukem Forever

    My money is on #3 :grin: since that seems to have gotten an official release date of June 14th.
     
  11. ndole

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    That depends on your definition of "The light of day". #3 is slated to be the soonest I think, with #2 at a close second (according to Doug's approximation). The new Tivo might be released before DNF, but you'll actually be able to buy DNF the same day it's released.
     
  12. hdtvfan0001

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    Years? Maybe some have speculated that long...but last year is the first time I can recall anyone talking about it coming in 2011 some time.

    As for your short poll...I anticipate a new DirecTV HD GUI will likely see the light of day before the next HD Tivobox.
     
  13. Steve

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    Don't forget that for a family of 4-5 viewers, 2-3 networked DVR's gives them 4-6 simultaneous recording tuners, greatly reducing the chance of a recording conflict, along with a combined 200-300 hours of HD storage. That's a big deal in a home where mom, dad and the kids may all have different show tastes.
     
  14. Darcaine

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    Yeah, notice this part of what I said? "and for all of these downgrades (or just lateral-grade in the case of the UI) from my current HD DVR".

    Meaning the UI doesn't get upgraded, or downgraded.

    And yeah, I feel exactly the same way, I'd absolutely pay more if it was an upgrade. But whats being presented here is a significant downgrade from what I already have.
     
  15. wingrider01

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    Suspect the next presidential election wil be over with before the unit is seen at CES - not released, just seen at CES
     
  16. Richierich

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    Doug Brott stated June or July and I find most everything he says or predicts is pretty much Right On so I would be surprised if it is later than July when the New Directivo Debuts.
     
  17. hdtvfan0001

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    After two years in a row of several of us personally attempting to see/learn something about the next HD DirecTivo DVR at CES....I'd be less than shocked if that actually happened.
     
  18. SledgeHammer

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    He was saying April for a long time and that fell through. June / July is still a long way aways... plenty of time for more delays.
     
  19. Richierich

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    He never said it was set in stone but just a tentative date and that normally comes to him from a pretty good and reliable source but things do change and schedules do slip due to unforeseen circumstances.
     
  20. Tom Robertson

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    For a long time, Doug, Stuart, and occasionally I give out our best guesses. And they have been guesses.

    As we see, hear, sniff the things in the wind, our guesses are more educated...but we also know that even the wind can be optimistic... :) (In other words, things happen and can change schedules.) :)

    I've pretty much stopped guessing. The old standby of "double the estimate, unless it's TiVo, then quadruple" doesn't even seem to apply anymore. :(

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
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