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DIRECTV HD Receiver with TiVo (Official Q1 2011 Thread)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Mike Bertelson, Dec 28, 2010.

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  1. Jan 4, 2011 #141 of 1101
    dualsub2006

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    You say that like Verizon or a cable company is some great, shining example of customer care. I do business with Verizon and Insight Cable as well as DirecTV. I can say that without doubt, Verizon and Insight are both MUCH better at squeezing every single dime out of each customer that they can. Verizon is the absolute king of customer molestation and they do it in the interest of their own bottom line. Period.
     
  2. Jan 4, 2011 #142 of 1101
    Stuart Sweet

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    I think bad customer service is an epidemic right now and DIRECTV's is certainly nowhere near the worst.
     
  3. Jan 4, 2011 #143 of 1101
    astrotrf

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    That's not good news. Trick play on the SD TiVo is quite poorly done; it works, but has lots of glitches (like as not, hitting the "back" button actually jumps *forward*). I was rather anticipating improvement in this area; it sounds as though I may be disappointed.
     
  4. Jan 4, 2011 #144 of 1101
    bobcamp1

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    I have a Tivo driving an H20 receiver in SD. Mainly because my locals are MPEG4 only. We tried an R22 and it promptly missed 5 recordings in one week for no good reason. The Tivo+H20 in the other room got all 5 missed recordings no problem. The R22 was also incredibly sluggish. I exchanged the R22 for two other HR2xs, realized the design was the problem, and returned them and used the Tivo.

    TWC tried to get me arrested for cable theft, even though I was a D* subscriber at the time, so cable is out. FIOS just turned on TV service in my neighborhood, and I am interested in switching over. I'd have to buy a new Tivo, though. And D* is quite a bit cheaper than FIOS since I'm grandfathered in Total Choice, but I'd get a lot more with FIOS. I am keeping a close eye on it.

    Since the HR2x's have supposedly improved over the past 18 months, I was going to try and get an HR24 and finally upgrade to HD this month. Alas, my car broke down, so that money is now going somewhere else. Maybe next year.

    (I'm also not that impressed with HD in general. I don't know if it's my 20/15 vision or my sensitivity to motion blur, but I just don't see what all the fuss is about. To me it's only slightly better than SD.)
     
  5. Jan 4, 2011 #145 of 1101
    bobcamp1

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    Ummm... the Series 3 Tivos can record in MPEG4 and don't have trick play issues. Perhaps the inferior HR2x DVR has problems. :D

    My main concern is that the new DirecTivo is using the same crappy chipset and hardware as the HR22, so it simply can't be good. My other concern is that the Tivo Premiere has been a disappointment with its half-baked HD interface and reduction in stability (if you put the interface in SD mode, it works great).
     
  6. Jan 4, 2011 #146 of 1101
    Stuart Sweet

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    Not sure I'd call the chipset and hardware "crappy" but they're not as advanced as the HR24s, that's for sure. I believe the TiVo Premiere uses many of the same chips as the HR22.
     
  7. Jan 4, 2011 #147 of 1101
    bonscott87

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    LOL when it's the same chipset that Tivo boxes use! :) Which makes it even more curious as to the delay's since it's the same chipset in their own stand alone boxes.
     
  8. Jan 4, 2011 #148 of 1101
    Doug Brott

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    I think it all depends on your threshold of "problem." I personally don't think the HR24 has any problems and skipping forward or backward works as advertised. FF and REW show frames more digitally in MPEG4 than MPEG2 but it is virtually imperceptible. Having not seen a TiVo HD at all I can't compare, but my suspicion is that the results are similar. And no, I wouldn't remotely call it bad.
     
  9. Jan 4, 2011 #149 of 1101
    cbessant

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    When you announce a product and say "this when we'll deliver" (MPEG-4 TiVo) and then you yank support for the existing product (MPEG-2 TiVo), and then keep pushing the time-line out, that is bull. It wouldn't be hard to modify a current TiVo HD platform to work with DTV. DTV wants their own hardware for whatever reason, and to delay for 2 years is bull. They never should have said anything until they knew they had a real release date. This all about DTV's bottom line, and has nothing to do with the customer. I the customer were important, they'd have a new HD TiVo release.

    I believe when you say the others providers are bad. This is what happens when you have a protected franchise licensed by a city gov't. No choices. I don't have a choice as satellite is my only option, and I knew that when we move to the country. I'd rather have choices between crappy providers than no choice at all. Sure, they nickel and dime you to death, not good. They all do.

    I'm thankful for 1.5Mbps DSL and access to 3Mbps wireless. I have a choice.

    :nono2:
     
  10. Jan 4, 2011 #150 of 1101
    Doug Brott

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    TiVo keeps pushing it out .. DIRECTV is waiting for TiVo to finish the product just like you are waiting. It's true that DIRECTV probably doesn't care enough to push TiVo hard on this, but short of pulling out the whip, DIRECTV doesn't have anything to do with the delay.

    You don't know this .. I'd say based on simple observation that your assertion doesn't even make sense. Clearly its "not easy" or it would have been done already.

    Again .. TiVo is where the delay is. DIRECTV and TiVo made the announcement that it would be ready at the end of 2009 (1 year ago, BTW) I expect it toward the beginning of Q2/2011 which will be 16 months after the "due date." But again, DIRECTV is (patiently) waiting just like the rest of us. The hardware portion from DIRECTV was available on the day of the announcement (september 2008). The software is what is taking so long and that is TiVo's responsibility.
     
  11. Jan 4, 2011 #151 of 1101
    tonyd79

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    It works fine. It is a bit less smooth. SD is best. MPEG2 HD next. MPEG4 HD the most jumpy. Once you get used to it, though, no big deal. There was a LOT of adjusment on the DirecTV DVRs early on with MPEG4 HD trickplay. Then I found out that even MPEG2 HD has issues on trickplay with my HD Tivo I had for a while.
     
  12. Jan 4, 2011 #152 of 1101
    smiddy

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    When I talked to TiVo last year at CES (I won't be going this weekend, someone else can talk to them, if they are there) they were emphatic that they would be delivering during the summer 2010. This was TiVo...I had heard since that there were some problems on TiVo's end (software I think), which I'm uncertain of the specifics. Suffice it to say, it wasn't DirecTV who is holding them back.

    While your statement is true, that the HR10-250 could be revamped to be compatible TiVo chose a different path, not DirecTV. DirecTV only has so much influence on TiVo to make design requirements, and keep TiVo within the DirecTV satellite line.

    Your last sentence is unrealistic, especially if there are problems with development (I'm not saying there are), and TiVo wants to release a more finished product versus a half-completed-problematic-set-top-box. It will be done when it is done, patience is, as they say, a virtue. :)
     
  13. Jan 4, 2011 #153 of 1101
    bonscott87

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    You may not realize is that the only word DirecTV has ever said about it was the original press release some 2 and a half years ago that Tivo was building a new box. That's it. Any news and timelines/dates that have come out since then have all been Tivo talking. DirecTV hasn't said a word. And why would they, they can't tell you or me when it will be for sale until Tivo finishes it and delivers a finished product. Complain to Tivo.

    As for the transition to MPEG4, I knew all about that about the time the HR10-250 (the old DirecTivo HD) which is why I never got one. I wasn't going to spend 800-1000 bucks on something I knew would be obsolete within 2 years. And the transition to MPEG4 has nothing to do with Tivo, but all about moving a direction the entire industry was heading (and still is) to MPEG4. Also they needed to light up 2 new satellite spots (99 and 103) which the HR10-250 could not tune to either (nor could any other old HD equipment).

    Hate DirecTV all you want but Tivo was just caught up in the wash on the whole HD transition. As for not in the customer's best interest....ummm you do realize that DirecTV has had a very functional HD DVR for several years now. And more then half of their 19 million customers has one. Very, very few people are "waiting for a Tivo". So they have responded to their customer wants and provide them with an HD DVR. It's just not the one you want unfortunately. Perhaps if you got an HR2x a couple years ago while you waited you would have had HD all this time and perhaps grown to like it like many others have. If not at least you had HD while you waited.

    Good luck to you.
     
  14. Jan 4, 2011 #154 of 1101
    hdtvfan0001

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    Please allow me the opportunity to commend Doug, Stuart, Tom, Scott, and others for keeping everyone informed of what is happening on this front. That said, there are limits to what is known at any given time - this is a moving target.

    Note: I do not work for DirecTV, nor TiVo, and in fact was a former HR10-250 user years ago when the previous unit was an active device in our household. I have no personal urgency nor interest in this project...just a desire to learn like many others and share information if and when obtained.

    Regroup on the facts.

    1) DirecTV and TiVo announced an agreement in September 2008 that they would partner to release a co-branded HD DVR device that would work with the DirecTV satellite broadcast channel system. The announced goal was for a release some time 4Q 2009.

    2) At that same time, the requirements and hardware platform (for development and testing) was provided to TiVo for them to proceed with the project. At that point, TiVo owned all work on the project.

    3) Fast forward to 1Q 2010, where no signs of any finished product surfaced at CES 2010 last January. Soon thereafter, word got out that the project was delayed and now targeted for a "late 2010" release.

    4) Recently, without any formal announcement, rumors of a 2Q 2011 release appeared in various posts and sites, along with notifications that TiVo was seeking a "2nd group of testers" for the new device. This seemed to confirm that the new unit was getting closer to some form of conclusion, and that it was far enough along that testing was being conducted.

    5) During this lengthy timeframe, DirecTV has continued to advance their own fleet of HD DVR's with new models and new capabilities.

    6) CES 2011 starts later this week, and a number of DBSTalkers will be there to make every attempt to learn an actual status from the TiVo meeting room personnel onsite. Since this area is closed to the general attendees, and typically requires a direct invitation to enter their rooms, this can be a challenge. Yet last year, several folks were able to gain access.

    If any information is learned at CES 2011, those folks onsite will do their best to get the info and share what can be shared.

    Despite all the finger-pointing on the reasons or cause of any delays, and related confusion in this thread to date...again...a number of folks here have worked very hard to keep focus on these facts and the status as this has all evolved after a long period of time.

    Kudos to them for the job they've done to date.

    To be clear - TiVo owns this project until delivery, and a publicly-confirmed delivery date has not been announced.
     
  15. Jan 4, 2011 #155 of 1101
    Doug Brott

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    The HR10-250 could not be used without hardware modifications .. It does not have an MPEG4 decoder on board. It really didn't make sense for TiVo to build from the ground up a new hardware device .. One could certainly argue that it doesn't make sense now that TiVo is using the previous generation hardware, but had they come out on time, it would have made a lot more sense. The 16 month delay is helping no one.
     
  16. Jan 4, 2011 #156 of 1101
    JBernardK

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    The series 3 TiVos are MPEG2. Cable and OTA do not use MPEG4.
     
  17. Jan 4, 2011 #157 of 1101
    Doug Brott

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    Yes, good point and I should have caught that as well. The big difference is between MPEG4 and MPEG2 .. but in the grand scheme of things it's a non-factor. MPEG4 trick play is not bad, but it is slightly different than MPEG2.
     
  18. Jan 4, 2011 #158 of 1101
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    Even if it does eventually get off the ground this year I think all the momentum has been lost and I, for one, almost certainly won't bother. We were pretty early adopters of the original Tivo, got Dtivos when we switched to Direct in '01, and paid about a grand for the HR10-250 when that came out.

    Had there been a Tivo alternative to the HR2x when MPEG4 HD rolled out we'd have sold our first-born to get one, or two, but three years on we're now fully acclimatised to the HR2x interface and we have all the internet streaming capabilities we could want through our BD-players and game consoles so I really can't see us changing again at this point.
     
  19. Jan 4, 2011 #159 of 1101
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    +1. My Feelings Exactly!!!

    Why bother at this point when the HR2X DVRs work so well and we have WHDVR Service which the new Directivo may not and that definitely would be a Deal Breaker!!!
     
  20. Jan 4, 2011 #160 of 1101
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    Major lolz. The TiVO HD is designed for CableCard. DTV is a completely different animal. Its more then a few lines of software change. The hardware is completely different and the software is oh, like 50% or more different.

    Actually, since the last reliable rumors indicate its going to run on DTV hardware, the software is probably > 50% different.
     
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