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Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Jun 24, 2010.
Bicker1, perhaps you might choose to take conversations like that to private message. Thanks.
I know where you live ..
TiVo said they "expected" something .. we, the consumer "expected" the same thing (DIRECTV TiVo in 2H 2009). TiVo failed to deliver.
Those are the facts. You are DISMISSING them which (last I checked) was you "failing to accept" the facts.
Bicker1 does not have expectations in life. I wonder if he expected to eat last night, or if he insists only after he had eaten he would accept the fact he ate last night. But without any expectation he would not have attempted the dinner, therefore there could not be the fact he had any dinner.
That's actually a pretty good analogy...that is if I understand what bicker1 is saying...which gets difficult at times.
I like that analogy, it fits. All I know is I was told to expect something. I expected it and it didn't happen. That is an absolute fact.
Whether or not I should have expected what I was told to expect, that's a horse of a different [strike] color [/strike]...expectation.
Since we know the new Tivobox will likely not show until 4Q 2010 or beyond....and more than likely 1Q-2Q 2011....
IF and WHEN a new DirecTV HD DVR surfaces....we'll likely learn about it here before almost anyplace else....so when the established folks and Mods here indicate its way off....its likely way off. The first step in the 4 step program is getting past denial, and it seems some have not gotten that far here yet on that point.
...speculation beyond what has been debate, discussed, and regurgitated at nauseum in this thread to date can't help but be redundant. :eek2:
True. I guess it's time to move on to speculating about features.
That would at least seem of some value, in terms of assessing folks' likes/preferences.
Recent industry chatter has it that Apple and Tivo are in cahoots to create an Apple/Tivo device.... Anyone know how or have ideas how this might affect the DTV/Tivo plans?
I'd like to think it will have no impact, that TiVo is big enough to handle both projects at the same time.
I am not so sure. As frustrating as bicker1's argument, he did raise an interesting point that TiVo has very limited resources, must prioritize. As a result the new DirecTiVo is delayed. A speculation with facts such as the RCN rollout for support.
As far as the TiVo/AppleTV rumor, it appears just a rumor. But if true, it could very well delay this one. Not that it will make much difference at this point.
If that's the case, then the $11.5 million paid so far by DirecTV is probably not being spent by engineering.
Can you elaborate?
If, in fact, their engineering department is resource constrained forcing them to re-prioritize, where is that DirecTV development money being spent? With $11.5 million, you'd think TiVo could add as many contract programmers as needed to handle multiple projects.
One post did use the term "hush money." Are you implying the same?
I think some engineering has been done, just that neither side is in any rush to make it happen.
Not at all, as I recently posted in this thread.
There was no "no sue" agreement. Replay was almost bankrupt and couldn't afford further legal expense. TiVo knew they couldn't get money from a broke company. They both just backed off. Both lawsuits were withdrawn without prejudice meaning they could refile later.
I stand corrected on the "no sue" agreement. I'm not an attorney, so I wasn't aware of what "without prejudice" meant.
I've never seen that reason for dropping the suit reported before, tho. Perhaps you have access to documents or reporting I couldn't find? What I found was this statement: "The two companies said in a joint statement issued on Friday: "We believe our energies are better spent expanding the market for DVRs rather than fighting with each other."
As reported here: "Sonicblue, based in Santa Clara, Calif., received a patent from the United States Patent and Trademark Office on Dec. 3 of last year covering 50 claims for developing devices that can pause and play back televisions shows. Sonicblue filed a lawsuit against TiVo the day after receiving its patent." DirecTV now owns those patents, AFAIK.
No sue or not, with or without prejudice, DirecTV's purchase of the ReplayTV IPs was a defensive measure, if sued by TiVo or others, can be used to counter sue. In addition, the ReplayTV DVR invention does have its own value, DirecTV could have already used some of it, therefore they can easily prove non-infringement of other DVR patents, if necessary.
Your speculation is sound that DirecTV actually wanted to have a new DirecTiVo for retention purpose back in 2008. My speculation was, because of the timing of the agreement, it was in large part a move to put its direct competitor, DISH, in a disadvantageous position. It worked to some degree. The district judge did impost the higher damage rate requested by TiVo, though not in the form TiVo asked for. Even the appeals court at one point affirmed the judgment.
Had DISH relented and settled with TiVo, paying a fee to TiVo, it would have made it more costly for DISH to do the DVR business, hence less competitive. Today DirecTV's DVR fee is still much less than DISH. The impact is very obvious, a lot of us are DirecTV DVR subs in part because of the lower DVR fees.
It sounds like you are making a statement of fact. Please provide supporting documentation. DIRECTV's actions in supporting the development of a new TiVo DVR do not necessarily imply the reasoning you hypothesize.
Speculation by definition, cannot be a fact, even if I think it is sound