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DIRECTV HD Receiver with TiVo (Official Q3 2010 Thread)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Jun 24, 2010.

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  1. ejjames

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    I have been waiting for the new tivo, but when I actually had to use it to schedule shows for my visiting dad, I was annoyed. The huge fisher-price fonts seemed clunky, and the sound effects...I guess I'm not so sure anymore.
     
  2. bonscott87

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    It was mentioned earlier but the problem is that the 30+ million DVR users out there already think they have a Tivo. DVR + Tivo and they don't know any different. So no, you aren't going to have people leaving cable to DirecTV just for Tivo. Not going to happen because they already think they have Tivo.
     
  3. E91

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    I don't think the majority of people who do this. But, I know my sister couldn't stand to give up here TIVO when D* when to the NDR system. So, she bought a few high def TIVOs, and then got cable cards. I bet she'd consider coming back to D* tomorrow if a new TIVO box was available.

    Personally, I jumped ship to Dish because I heard terrible things about the D* DVRs (which, as it turned out, where completely wrong - I really enjoy the system) and would have gone to cable in a minute if my local provider had a decent DVR. When I canceled D* a few years back, I told the nice CSR that I would return the day they made a TIVO MPEG4 DVR available - and I meant it. If DISH's lousy sports coverage wasn't so disappointing, I'd still be with them now.

    Now, my sister and I both tend toward the DBSTALK end of things (that is, we know a bit more about this stuff than the average consumer) but even Joe and Jane Public can feel this way. I have another friend who had a DirecTIVO box, but switched to Dish when she bought a new house and got an HD LCD. She freakin' hates the DISH VIP722, swears that she'll toss it as soon as her contract up, and would definitely opt for D* over cable if a TIVO OS DVR was available.

    I'm not saying that the majority of users will care - but some will.

    What is really going to keep people from jumping ship, at least in the DBS world, is that both DISH and D* are getting the DVR OS right. I'm really liking my HR24. I still miss TIVO, but the HR24 is pretty nice too. I also liked DISH's VIP series. Lots of nice options out there now, even when compared to TIVO.
     
  4. bobcamp1

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    If you think D* got the OS right, you have really low standards.

    I'd like a DVR that records all the shows you tell it to, and doesn't have any playback or recording issues. I'd also like a DVR that responds within the same year I press a button on the remote. An accurate to-do list is a huge plus. Last year, the HRs were so bad I switched back to Tivo.

    (Here come the "I don't have any issues" responses. I don't care. There are way too many people who still have problems with the HRs doing the basics. Just look at the issues threads.)
     
  5. hdtvfan0001

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    Then again....the folks who report and significant problems pale in comparison with the millions who don't. :D

    Don't expect any different experience with any new Tivo-based unit.
     
  6. bonscott87

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    But you and your sister aren't a part of the 30+ million "unwashed masses". She (and you) are one of the few that actually know what a real Tivo is and had one. Not many people have. It's those other tens of millions that have never even seen a Tivo yet think they have one are what I'm talking about. And DirecTV having a new Tivo based unit is meaningless to them.

    I have dozens of friends that have a DVR. Not a single one of them has a Tivo but all but a couple think they have a Tivo. And these are "techy" type people no less. The only ones that know they don't have a Tivo are the ones that had DirecTV back in the day and had a DirecTivo. Of those they all complained about the HR2x when it first came out. Reason? No dual tuner switching. As soon as the HR2x got the dual buffers they were happy as punch. They cared nothing else about Tivo itself outside of that. I find that pretty typical in people I talk to. Those that did have Tivo don't really care one way or another on the DVR UI, they just want something that records and plays back, a digital VCR and that's it. Those into sports want the dual buffers. Yea my sample is maybe 30-40 people but that's is the overall trend with them.

    But from what I read across various forums this is pretty typical. And also explains why Tivo continues to lose subs every single quarter. It's because most people don't put any value on the things Tivo puts forward as why they are different and worth $13 a month. The general public and even DVR "vets" don't care either. The "digital VCR" is pretty much what most people look for. Everything else is just gravy and doesn't make a sale. Thus why Tivo continues to decline. If it were any different then people would have purchased Tivo by the millions vs. the crappy cable DVRs over the years but that was never the case. And now even the crappy cable DVRs are capable enough as digital VCRs and they have on demand. Guess what...since that's all most people care about that means the cable DVR is good enough and thus people see no reason to buy a Tivo. Same thing with DirecTV and even Dish. Having Tivo isn't going to gain a lot of subs for DirecTV either way.
     
  7. tonyd79

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    Bingo! If the vast majority cared, then Tivo would have had so many subs they wouldn't care about DirecTV at all. I always return to this. Comcast (and Fios to a lesser extent) have some of the crappiest DVRs out there yet practically no one has a Tivo. People (including myself when I got the Fios DVR), use the company DVR because it "works well enough" and costs less.

    Plus it gives other functionality. No matter how they try, the Tivo add-ons for Netflix, etc., do not replace cable On Demand and I get all those with a one-time purchase Roku box instead of a recurring cost Tivo box.

    So, Tivo means I spend more money per month and get fewer services. Not a good enough deal just so I can have things bloop at me. But don't tell me about the intuitive GUI either. Not only did the add ons for the older TiVo look nothing like the existing GUI, they are changing it completely, so I can't even bargain for well worn comfort.

    Tivo actually drove me away as a customer because the box was getting slower, less consistent and was costing me extra while it removed me from services that I was already paying for (on demand).

    Unless they can come up with something truly revolutionary (not just an ad campaign), I don't see how there business model works except for the most devoted folks.
     
  8. Brennok

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    TiVo only costs more money in the short term. Over the long term you easily come out ahead.

    At 3 years of the FiOS DVR at $15.99 you have paid $575.64. At 3 years of a TiVo Premiere with lifetime, if you are smart to shop around, costs $583.64 or $8 more over the 3 years. After that you save $144 a year using TiVo. This is assuming FiOS doesn't increase hardware prices. This amount only goes up as you increase the number of DVRs you have.

    If you use the whole home unit at $19.99 a month you have paid $719.64 over 3 years compared to TiVo at $583.64.

    If you opt for the TiVo HD for lifetime you paid $543.64 over 3 years vs $575.64 or $719.64.

    At the same time at the end of those 3 years you can still sell the TiVo with Lifetime which you can't do with the cable dvr. Used TiVo HDs still go for $400.

    Unfortunately though I agree with you about VOD, but that isn't something TiVo can really do anything about. I don't miss it though since I record more than I could ever watch.
     
  9. E91

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    You're right. "I don't have those issues..."

    I'm sorry you're having problems with the HRs. I'm sorry other people are too. But, I'm not. And, all I can talk about is my experience.

    I've had zero playback and recording issues on the HR24 and on the VIP722.

    I've had zero issues getting either to record.

    And, my DVR is every bit as responsive as the TIVOs I've had over the years.

    YMMV.

    P.S. I am not denying or discounting your experience - just saying it is much different from mine. Could it be that D* has FINALLY ironed out all the problems?
     
  10. Hoosier205

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    Sounds more like user error...only kidding. Seriously though, you cannot expect this forum to be a fair and accurate sample. The very reason that many people come here is just to report problems. Not to mention what an incredible minority we represent. Even if every single member here were a DirecTV customer (which isn't the case since many are non-DBS customers or are Dish customers), they would only account for about 0.45% of the total number of DirecTV customers. Even if you combine the total membership of this forum and "the other forum" (again imagining that every member on both sites is a DirecTV customer)...we're only talking about 1.3%. There are no widespread or dramatic issues with HRxx receivers.
     
  11. E91

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    I think TIVO continues to decline becaues of the realities of the situation. Most of major providers out there (E*, D*, Fios, cable) have their own internally developed systems. The only folk who can really use TIVO are those who are OTA only (who generally don't tend to own DVRs) and those who go through the hassle of cable cards. Its not surpising that TIVO isn't selling units - there isnt' anybody for them to sell to. I think the message of TIVO is that a stand-alone DVR just isn't all that viable.

    I agree with you that many of the "masses" think of DVRs in a very generic sense. But, I also think that most people who would have used the TIVO OS will prefer it to other options. I really like the HR24, and have very much enjoyed coming back to D*. HOwever, all else being equal, I still would rather be with TIVO.

    All that said, its a tribute to how far D*'s DVRs have come. I like my HR24s enough that I'm viewing this talk about a new TIVO unit on Directv with benign disinterest. I can really live with my current setup and I see no real reason to switch.
     
  12. smiddy

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    Last shots today folks, this thread will be history soon, though next quarter's thread may be even more fun. :D
     
  13. litzdog911

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    Oh goodie!
     
  14. hdtvfan0001

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    ...and they could likely skip the entire 4Q and start the next one 1Q 2011... :lol:
     
  15. ATARI

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    I'll second that idea...
     
  16. tonyd79

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    Three years is a long time in the world of DVRs. Also, did you include the cablecard price in your calculations? Not to mention that that large of a cost up front is a huge hit compared to the "savings" over a few months. There is the time cost of money involved here.

    Bad assumption. I have one Fios DVR not the whole home unit. How does a single Tivo compare to a whole home unit? They do not perform the same function.

    I recently transferred a Tivo unit to a friend. What a nightmare. First I had to convince Tivo that I didn't want to buy a net unit then they messed the billing up for two months. No thanks..

    Maybe but you are paying for it. Besides, for movies it allows me to not have to tie up a tuner or schedule them. (I am talking prepaid or free movies. I do not do PPV.)
     
  17. bobcamp1

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    Of course there are dramatic issues. I think missing recordings, inability to play back recordings, and receivers locking up are dramatic.

    As far as widespread, no one knows. You can't claim that the only people who post here are people who have problems. There are many other people who have problems who don't post here. My neighbor is one. You can't derive numbers from the numbers of people who visit this forum. (I've had this same conversation on the Tivo forum.)

    What you CAN do, however, is look to see what kinds of problems people are having. With Tivo, it's getting the Cablecards and tuning adapters to work, and getting the new HD interface in the Premiere to not crash (some people have simply disabled it). There aren't any issues regarding audio/video stuttering or dropouts. Or programs not recording. Or (except for HD menus) having to reset the box every three days. Or having sluggish remote response.

    Tivo has always done the main functions very well. If the HD DirecTivo is that reliable, I'm sold. I am nervous though, because the Premiere clearly was released before it was ready.
     
  18. bobcamp1

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    I just did the cost analysis of Verizon DVR vs. FIOS with Tivo vs. DirecTV. Because of my grandfathered status, D* came out way ahead in cost. The break even point for purchasing a Tivo vs. using the Verizon DVR was one month shy of 3 years. And that included ALL the costs, including a discounted Tivo Lifetime service which I am eligible for, Cablecards, etc.

    The cost analysis makes two horrible assumptions. The first is ignoring the fact that Tivo only has a 90-day warranty. If the box breaks before the 3 years are up, I'll lose a lot of money. Also, it assumes no one will raise their monthly prices.

    I agree with every one else here. This same conversation is going on in the Tivo community forum. You simply can't make a stand-alone DVR that's competitive with a leased unit. Which is why the HD DirecTivo might be the best of both worlds.
     
  19. CuriousMark

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    hey bobcamp1,

    I just got whole home DVR setup installed yesterday. I decided not to wait another 5 or 6 months. I have an HR24 and an H24 now. I was familiarizing myself with the HR24 unit, setting series up to record and the thing locked up twice. In both cases it stopped playing back video, stopped responding to the remote and after about 5 minutes rebooted itself. Neither of my 2 Series 2 TiVos has ever done this. I called DTV and they are coming back out. I suspect I may have just gotten a lemon because from what the CSRs said, it should not have done this at all. This is just a data point and it is my first experience with a DirecTV DVR, but it leaves me a bit nervous.
     
  20. Steve

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    Mark, one other data point if they are coming out again. Not sure if you ever run into recording conflicts, but if you replace the H24 with another HR24, you'll have 4 tuners available for simultaneous recording (and 200 hours total HD storage), for the same monthly charge you're now paying. You'll probably need to lay out another $99 up front, however.
     
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