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Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Sep 20, 2010.
Can handicap which things you consider suspect?
You are obviously a fanboy and I have given up talking to you on this topic. Spin your MRV discussion anyway you want. And claim that Tivo is leading and turned it around based upon vaporware all you want. When it came to actual delivery in the last few years, Tivo has failed. But you say they are doing well because they ANNOUNCED new product. I say their track record the last few years stinks and they have not been at the forefront of innovation in a decade. Facts are on my side. Speculation is on yours, only if it is your speculation.
One last post because this shows how delusional you are. Someone here who has some information has indicated that the new DirecTivo will basically be an HD version of the HR10 on the HR2x hardware platform. You can deny that no one is saying anything only because you are not reading the posts on this thread.
The Only Thing TiVo is good at nowadays is Announcing New Things To Come that never happen.
I guess you could call that VAPORWARE but at last year's CES they had nothing to show us but did offer us a TiVo Plush Doll. I mean they are a Joke and I have good money to bet that we will never see the Directivo.
Just a Hunch.
Who needs it anyway now that Directv has stepped up to the plate.
We are both fanboys, you for DirecTV, me for TiVo. So what!
I have not done any spin, I have been very careful to remain as balanced as I can. If that means rebutting fanboys who do spin, the so be it.
I did not say TiVo is doing well because of announced new products, you are putting words in my mouth there. I said that TiVo has had troubles and that the newly announced stuff leads me to hope they are finally turning around. That is hugely different than what you just said.
My claims that TiVo has leading features, most developed fairly long ago, stand on their own or not. They are not spin, I described them as they are. I even went to pains to point out the features of my new HR24 that beat out my TiVo in order to be more balanced. I am not seeing that kind of balance from some DirecTV devotees here, and I am seeing that kind of balance from others. That's fine. It is still fun and interesting to discuss these things. If you don't like what I am saying though, please don't take it personally. It is not meant that way.
By the way, their track record the last two years has been bad, and I said so, and said why I think so. Did you notice?
Plenty of people on these forums claim to have info, but until it happens it is just speculation.
Insults aren't necessary. I can have a hope and express my desires. Others can post that they feel otherwise. Where is the delusion?
It may be a castrated box, just as you say. I can still hope that it won't be, or is that a violation of rule to be optimistic?
If it is not extremely limited as you and other have posted that it will, then it will be good for both DirecTV and TiVo. If it is limited, it won't be good for either. I will patiently wait to find out, using my new HR24 and H24 to tide me over until that time. My S2 will fill in the gaps that those boxes don't have the feature set to provide yet.
If the TiVo is limited like that, then perhaps the limit will be because DirecTV wants to provide those features themselves. If so, then my speculation that NIH syndrome is behind that might prove to be true. Or it might not. We shall see. I hope DirecTVs management has an open mind and takes "best of breed" technology where they find it.
The QUERTY remote happened
Pandora was announced and happened
The Premiere happened, for what it's worth
Hulu Plus is announced, but hasn't happened yet
The online season pass and todo list managers happened, and that one was never even announced
the DirecTV DVR with TiVo service was announced and hasn't happened, but hardware is finally in Beta.
The Comcast Downloadable TiVo happened and was deployed in Boston, then Comcast chose not to go national and instead jump straight to Tru2way
The Cox downloadable TiVo never happened, instead Cox is going to push Premieres and connect them to their VOD.
Suddenlink was announced and hasn't happened yet, but is not yet late either.
The RCN TiVo was announced, happened on time and is reportedly doing well in RCN areas.
The Virgin TiVo was announced, and appears to be right on schedule with 500 beta units going out now.
Australia was announced, happened and is struggling
Ono in Spain was announced, it hasn't happened yet, but it is not late
So far only Two are true vapor at this point. The Cox downloadable TiVo and Ono. The others (excluding HMEs) all have real hardware either out or in a beta, including DirecTV.
They were a joke for a while there, I can see why you might feel that they still are. Let's watch and see.
I am glad DirecTV's current offering meets all your needs. For me, they are still on deck with promise of a good hit when they reach the batters box. And I am cheering for them.
I was a TIVOTEE or TIVOHOLIC but the fact is that it has taken so long for them to get this Vaporware Directivo to the Marketplace I have Lost Interest because my HR2X DVRs do almost everything I want and more is on the way.
Why would I want the New Directivo DVR when it comes out (if it is indeed in my lifetime) when I have what I have with Directv???
It would have to have an awful lot of Bells and Whistles to make me want to pay a Premium to have this DVR and then go thru the Pains I did with the HR10-250!!!
Ain't gonna happen and I bet there are alot of past TiVotees who feel just like me.
You wouldn't and shouldn't If the HR24 is all you need, that is fantastic.
So why do you and others push back on me for wanting more? Wanting some neat TiVo standalone features in the next DirecTV DVR with TiVo should be no skin off your nose. So why keep saying it will never happen and implying that it should not happen?
Nothing I am saying should be taken to denigrate the DirecTV DVRs, they are good. But they miss some features I want, that TiVo already gives me. To me a DirecTV DVR with those feature would be better. If those features are not enough better to interest you, that is also fine. But please don't try to convince me and others that we should not want such things just because you don't want them.
If you read my posts carefully then you would know that I would Love to see something that is far better than my HR2X DVRs but I don't believe it will happen. If it does then I will buy one and give it a Demo and kick the tires to see just how Great it is.
But I have my doubts as it seems to take forever for them to release this Puppy unless the Puppy died.
Thread got interesting, didn't it?
Your tally v. my tally just shows the difference in opinion for the most part.
As for MRV .. Yeah, "copy" would be better than not having the ability. But with the UPL and streaming keeping the entire system consistent between DVRs .. Well, let's just say it's less work and you definitely can't convince me that TiVo does it the better way.
Well stated. That's exactly how I feel. I love my old Tivo DVRs, but the DirecTV DVRs have surpassed them in just about every way that matters to me and my family. I'm anxious to see if the new HD Tivo will bring any of the newer Tivo features to the table, but I highly doubt it. We'll see.
Fair enough, I am happy to agree to disagree on that one. There is lots of room for differences of opinion.
My point in all this comparison was to counter mis-information based on ignorance of what TiVo Standalone DVRs can do and where the company is at. TiVo has innovated, and is still innovating although at a slower pace lately. TiVo has features that DirecTV's current DVR lacks and the DirecTV DVR likewise has some that TiVo lacks. There is room for some wonderful synergy here. I am hoping that new TiVo Service will provide at least some of that synergy.
EXACTLY!!! Always Great to see your Posts as I have watched you on AVSFORUMs for a long time when I was "Plasmamaniac".
One advantage to stream vs. copy I see is one less file I need to delete when I'm finished watching it.
Yes, I Agree that it is one less thing to Delete and it is also not taking up more space on a Hard Drive because it is Streaming and not Transferring or Copying to another Device's hard drive.
I like TiVO's on-line scheduler better, because it also provides access to each DVR's TDL and the Series Manager. I'd love to be able to sit at a single PC on my LAN and manage each of my DVR's recording activity from one place, since right now I have DVR's on 3 different floors of my house.
...and one more disadvantage is the streaming may not work well if at all...subject to connectivity. I suspect that price is higher to pay than the 2 seconds it takes to delete a file.
Although this does not apply to DirecTV, in the cable world streaming also beats the copy protection flags that some cablecos use to inhibit copy type MRV in DVRs that are not their own. I did not go with the TiVo Premiere for this very reason. I live in a Time Warner area where they play this game that kills copy type MRV. I need MRV and with DirecTV I still have it. Why TiVo has not implemented a streaming mode for MRV between Premieres just mystifies me, that should be even a higher priority than Virgin.