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DIRECTV HD Receiver with TiVo (Official Q4 2010 Thread)

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#1 ·
Folks, there's precious little to say about the upcoming DIRECTV TiVo-based device that hasn't already been said, but here's the thread for you to say it.

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  • This is not a free-for-all. Rudeness will not be tolerated.
  • If you harp on a particular point to the exclusion of others, your posts may be deleted.

Synopsis of common arguments: (in other words, this ground's already been trodden, do we have to go there again?)

  • Many people like the TiVo interface, especially the list guide.
  • Many people are equally fond of the DIRECTV interface.
  • Many people think that TiVos are easier for them to use.
  • Many people think that DIRECTV DVRs are easier for them to use.
  • Standalone TiVo devices have many features that are appealing to people.
  • No guarantee has been made that any feature from a standalone TiVo will make it to the DIRECTV TiVo.
  • The new device will run on DIRECTV hardware, although we don't know how that will work (we have some ideas).
  • TiVo, Inc. will develop the software for the device and seems to be solely responsible for the user experience.

Further, we've learned that the new TiVo for DIRECTV will not have the upgraded user experience seen in the TiVo Premiere, and since the DIRECTV HR24-500 DVR has been released, there has been some question as to what DIRECTV platform will underpin the new TiVo.
 
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#604 ·
richierich said:
Sorry, but my fast fingers got in the way to typing correctly WHDVR Service!!! :lol:
Obviously not a touch typist, as the H and the F are typed with different hands.
 
#608 ·
Doug Brott said:
In my case, I can get a grand total of one channel via OTA .. It's a channel I don't even watch much and it's also a channel that comes in over the Sat in HD. For me personally (and I suspect a large portion of DIRECTV subscribers), OTA is a non-consideration.
You must live in the middle of nowhere :). I like in Orange County, CA which is kind of in between LA and San Diego. I can pull in about 20 to 30 OTAs with a directional digital antenna in the attic and multiplexed down to the living room.

That being said, I never watch CBS, NBC, FOX, WB, etc. off the OTA. I always watch them off of DirecTVs feed. I think the only thing I actually watch off of OTA is "This Old House" and "Ask This Old House", but those are usually shown on KOCE or KCET which comes on the DTV feed. Only difference is that KOCE is kind of do**hy and pretty much pre-empts *everything* in December while the OTA channel does not.

That being said #2, if its built into the box, I would hook up OTA just cuz its there... if I need to buy the external box, I wouldn't bother.
 
#609 ·
richierich said:
Well, Most Of The Time but at least I have an excuse, you don't!!!
No need here...at least I know where the spellcheck button is... :D

In the mean time, I was just thinking about the new Tivobox in terms of storage...wonder how big the hard drive will be...another question to keep handy for CES I suppose.
 
#610 ·
hdtvfan0001 said:
No need here...at least I know where the spellcheck button is... :D

In the mean time, I was just thinking about the new Tivobox in terms of storage...wonder how big the hard drive will be...another question to keep handy for CES I suppose.
You need to write down all of those questions as I am keeping a list of what to ask whomever when I see them to try to nail down some answers if that is possible. For instance, will the New Directivo be compatible with WHDVR SERVICE???
 
#611 ·
richierich said:
You need to write down all of those questions as I am keeping a list of what to ask whomever when I see them to try to nail down some answers if that is possible. For instance, will the New Directivo be compatible with WHDVR SERVICE???
When they see you coming...they'll head the other direction I suspect. :D

They don't like playing "20 questions" in those meeting rooms. You might get 2-3 answered. Pick and pick carefully.
 
#613 ·
SledgeHammer said:
You must live in the middle of nowhere :).
Nope .. I live in the middle of an area with nearly 2 million inhabitants. Amazing what terrain and foliage do to Antenna signals. 8 miles FARTHER from where I am now and I could pick up everything in the area with a $25 Radio Shack antenna (on the roof). Where I am now I can't "see" over the 1800ft pile of dirt and rocks down the road.
 
#614 ·
richierich said:
You need to write down all of those questions as I am keeping a list of what to ask whomever when I see them to try to nail down some answers if that is possible. For instance, will the New Directivo be compatible with WHDVR SERVICE???
I remember the first directvio.. had only one tuner active when it launched. took a software update latter on to activate it.. I be impressed if it launches with both tuners working at this point without the need for an update latter on, its so far behind schedule....
 
#615 ·
inkahauts said:
I remember the first directvio.. had only one tuner active when it launched. took a software update latter on to activate it.. I be impressed if it launches with both tuners working at this point without the need for an update latter on, its so far behind schedule....
Yes, and the HDMI Port on alot of them didn't work and there were myriad of problems but I remember watching HDNET and I couldn't believe how Beautiful it was. I was one of the First Persons on Tivocommunity.com to buy the HR10-250 and Activate it with Directv and I was very pleased with the DVR but didn't have very much HD Channels to watch and when I see everyone *****ing about the lack of HD Channels being launched by Directv and then see all of the HD Channels we have I just laugh and remember when we only had 1 or 2 channels such as HDNET and ESPN and then ESPN2.

How quickly we become Spoiled Little Children!!! :lol:
 
#616 ·
richierich said:
Yes, and the HDMI Port on alot of them didn't work and there were myriad of problems but I remember watching HDNET and I couldn't believe how Beautiful it was. I was one of the First Persons on Tivocommunity.com to buy the HR10-250 and Activate it with Directv and I was very pleased with the DVR but didn't have very much HD Channels to watch and when I see everyone *****ing about the lack of HD Channels being launched by Directv and then see all of the HD Channels we have I just laugh and remember when we only had 1 or 2 channels such as HDNET and ESPN and then ESPN2.

How quickly we become Spoiled Little Children!!! :lol:
Yeah i remember watching NHL games on HDnet and was converted for life. I still to this day don't see broadcast as good as HDNET was.
 
#617 ·
Do you think the DirecTivo's UI and functionality will be simular to Virgin Media's Tivo that just came out overseas?

This was Tivo's latest project, so I have to wonder if this is where they are headed. I know they colored things red for Virgin Media's OEM specification, but they could always color things blue for DirecTV - Or better yet, let the user select (red, blue, green, violet, black, aqua, etc...)

See video's of the latest Tivo in operation on Virgin Media (UK):
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=virgin+media+tivo&aq=f



The thing is, the Virgin Media implementation is using a triple tuner box built by Cisco.
 
#618 ·
cypherx said:
Do you think the DirecTivo's UI and functionality will be simular to Virgin Media's Tivo that just came out overseas?
No. The Tivo CEO already announced a while back that it will be the "Tivo Classic" UI. Thus the same old UI that is 8+ years old from the old SD DirecTivo's and HR10-250 unit.
 
#619 ·
bonscott87 said:
No. The Tivo CEO already announced a while back that it will be the "Tivo Classic" UI. Thus the same old UI that is 8+ years old from the old SD DirecTivo's and HR10-250 unit.
Wow, what a waste of everyone's time. The HR24-200 is better looking than a 10 year old Tivo IMO. Especially with HD-GUI on the roadmap. Maybe they just don't want to take away from their own in house HD-GUI team. They have more control over their interface anyway.

Seems Tivo is pushing their "Premier" HD interface to some cable operators now. RCN and Suddenlink customers can rent them. They have an IP VOD backchannel so they do their VOD content.

The Virgin Media Tivo experience in the YouTube video's looks pretty nice. If Tivo wanted to push unit's, they need to be innovative and go that route. If they don't then what's the point. I know I won't be interested in a decade old user experience. I'm already excited for the new HD-GUI. I've seen Verizon's and Comcast's 2011 HD-GUI tests and they blow everything else out of the water. Verizon's goes national in Q1 2011, Comcast's sometime in Q3 or Q4. When providers start to add more features and more finesse into their interfaces, when does Tivo become relevant?
 
#620 ·
cypherx said:
Wow, what a waste of everyone's time. The HR24-200 is better looking than a 10 year old Tivo IMO. Especially with HD-GUI on the roadmap. Maybe they just don't want to take away from their own in house HD-GUI team. They have more control over their interface anyway.

Seems Tivo is pushing their "Premier" HD interface to some cable operators now. RCN and Suddenlink customers can rent them. They have an IP VOD backchannel so they do their VOD content.

The Virgin Media Tivo experience in the YouTube video's looks pretty nice. If Tivo wanted to push unit's, they need to be innovative and go that route. If they don't then what's the point. I know I won't be interested in a decade old user experience. I'm already excited for the new HD-GUI. I've seen Verizon's and Comcast's 2011 HD-GUI tests and they blow everything else out of the water. Verizon's goes national in Q1 2011, Comcast's sometime in Q3 or Q4. When providers start to add more features and more finesse into their interfaces, when does Tivo become relevant?
Its relevant when it has a more functional guide and actually responds to remote control commands.

Your busting the old tivo for the same thing that is wrong with (in your opinion) the HR series DVRs, The same old 10 year old guide. While there are some rumors that they are going to be rolling out an HD gui soon there is nothing concrete about it and DTV's definition of SOON could be measured in years. Who knows what the future for the new HD tivo could bring.

Really there are very few people who know what the plans are for the new tivo once it comes out. Maybe plans have changed and it will have a new interface?? I don't think its worth complaining about until we at least see a demo unit and know some details.
 
#621 ·
cypherx said:
I've seen Verizon's and Comcast's 2011 HD-GUI tests and they blow everything else out of the water. Verizon's goes national in Q1 2011,
Just a minor correction. Verizon's HD GUI is expected to START going national in Q1. It took something like 8 months to roll out the previous version upgrade and nothing says the next one, which is bigger, will be any quicker.
 
#622 ·
ffemtreed said:
and actually responds to remote control commands.
They have been talking about the HR24 which has no issues with remote commands at all and is quite a bit faster then the HR20-23. On the older ones some people have remote issues, others don't (I never did on either my HR20 or HR21 before I dropped DirecTV).

Really there are very few people who know what the plans are for the new tivo once it comes out. Maybe plans have changed and it will have a new interface?? I don't think its worth complaining about until we at least see a demo unit and know some details.
When the CEO himself tells us what it's going to look like (Classic GUI) then I think we need to listen. This new DirecTivo HD will be not much more then an HR10-250 with MPEG4 capability built on HR22 hardware. That much we do know.
 
#623 ·
bonscott87 said:
When the CEO himself tells us what it's going to look like (Classic GUI) then I think we need to listen. This new DirecTivo HD will be not much more then an HR10-250 with MPEG4 capability built on HR22 hardware. That much we do know.
Don't bother. Let hope spring eternal...for now.
 
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