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DIRECTV HD TiVo (THR22-100) Anticipation (Official Q311 Thread)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Jun 26, 2011.

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  1. Sep 2, 2011 #821 of 1071
    harsh

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    I hate it when other people play the "DIRECTV wouldn't be so stupid as to" card, but it is burning my hand.

    Why would DIRECTV bother if not to make a big profit off of the hardcore TiVotees (of which there are apparently "thousands")? They already have a bit of a reputation for subsidizing niche items with base package fees.

    To hear you people go on (and on and on), having TiVo in the DIRECTV offering is a rotten tomato in a basket of prizewinners so I'm guessing they aren't expecting to buy a whole lot of blue sky with this TiVo offering.
     
  2. Sep 2, 2011 #822 of 1071
    Jeremy W

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    You're making a big assumption that DirecTV is making big profits off Tivo units. I think it's much more likely that when DirecTV went to Tivo to renew their overall agreement, Tivo said "We're not agreeing to anything unless you let us develop another DVR and help us market it" and DirecTV said "Fine, whatever, just give us access to your patents."
     
  3. Sep 2, 2011 #823 of 1071
    Mike Bertelson

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    Patents. An agreement with TiVo allows use of features without fear of patent infringement lawsuits. That's probably worth and order of magnitude more than anything they could hope to make from a DirecTiVo box. That’s my guess anyway. :grin:

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  4. Sep 2, 2011 #824 of 1071
    hdtvfan0001

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    ...and its a pretty good guess at that. ;)
     
  5. Sep 2, 2011 #825 of 1071
    BattleScott

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    Hold on to your hat, you should be getting pounced on any second now for advancing such a rediculous theory...:rolleyes:
     
  6. Sep 2, 2011 #826 of 1071
    Shades228

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    Everything always comes down to patents with this thread. It's the reason for the deal and the delay.
     
  7. Sep 2, 2011 #827 of 1071
    Mike Bertelson

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    I don't see how it could be the reason for the delay. IMHO, it is a big part of the reason for the relationship but I have no idea if it's the reason for the deal.

    I suppose TiVo could be using the relationship to generate some income with this DVR. Lord knows they need it.

    Patents have a lot to do with the relationship but what comes out of that relationship is just business as a consequence of that relationship. At least that’s my view of it.

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  8. Sep 4, 2011 #828 of 1071
    RMBittner

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    I know you meant that a little disparagingly, but it's those two things -- plus TiVo's auto-recorded Suggestions -- that have kept us as loyal TiVo customers for the last 10 years, despite some serious frustration with the offerings from our local cable provider, who seems to think 20 HD channels is all anyone should want.

    That said, I have been anxiously -- in every sense of that word -- waiting for this new HD DirecTiVo to come out. The minute it does, we will be ditching cable and signing up. I love what DirecTV seems to offer, but we are absolutely devoted to the TiVo UI, remote, unlimited SPs, and Suggestions.

    Bob
     
  9. Sep 4, 2011 #829 of 1071
    RMBittner

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    Absolutely. My wife's absolute refusal to even consider ditching the TiVo remote and UI is the reason we're not yet DirecTV customers. (I love TiVo too. But I might love all of DTV's HD channels more...)

    Keeping my fingers crossed that it won't be too many more weeks before the new units are officially announced and available.

    Bob
     
  10. Sep 4, 2011 #830 of 1071
    tonyd79

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    I will never understand choosing SD because of auto-record. Never. So you get MORE SD quality programming when there are so many ways of finding new programmingn other than depending on a single box to do so.
     
  11. Sep 4, 2011 #831 of 1071
    RMBittner

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    Never said Suggestions were in SD. Most are in HD, since most of our watching is on HD channels (except for all the movie channels and things like BBCA, TCM, etc.) Our TiVo is a S3, which is a full HD, dual-tuner unit; we just don't get a ton of HD channels from our cable provider.

    Yes, there are lots of ways to discover new programs. But Suggestions does it for you based on what you've recorded and what you've said you like. I watch a lot of TV -- we have close to 100 Season Passes -- and yet TiVo has still Suggested a couple of shows that we didn't know about and that we've become fans of. Sure, we might have found those for ourselves if we'd taken the time. But it's nice for the machine to record them for us; when we've run out of our own programs, they're waiting for us.

    Bob
     
  12. Sep 4, 2011 #832 of 1071
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    I don't really see a need to move to the THR22-100. My HR24-200 works just fine.
     
  13. Sep 4, 2011 #833 of 1071
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    I'm afraid those who still want the THR22-100 after all the cons posted about the unit, and no real pros to speak off, aren't really interested in what works fine from the standpoint of the superior technology. But a much more subjective what "works fine" for them as unwavering TIVO-loyalists.

    Personally, with the present HR24s and the really promising HR34 RVU/HMC on the near horizon, I can't fathom how anyone could be seriously interested in what is little more than a circa 2003 era box with MPEG4 capability and no MRV.

    Much less paying a premium for it except a TIVO-ist on the extreme.
     
  14. Sep 4, 2011 #834 of 1071
    tonyd79

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    Don't tell me about suggestions. I had a TiVo for years and years and it never found anything for me I wanted. They have you snookered into thinking it is some great thing. Guess what. The Directv dvrs have suggestions. They just don't auto record.

    It stands to reason that if you have a lot of SD channels then you will get SD suggestions. Or are you just crippling your viewing even more by being stubborn over a UI that is on its last legs?
     
  15. Sep 4, 2011 #835 of 1071
    RMBittner

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    To each his own. We love 'em; you don't.

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  16. Sep 4, 2011 #836 of 1071
    tonyd79

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    I understand liking them but to the point of denying yourself additional HD programming is what I don't understand. Watching tv is about watching tv, not the GUI unless the GUI is unusable. The Directv dvrs are not unusable and TiVo itself is abandoning the GUI you love so much that you deny yourself video quality.
     
  17. Sep 4, 2011 #837 of 1071
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    I find it hard to believe that anyone would give up 150 HD channels because of some over rated DVR. Seems insane to me. And thank god my wife let's me make all the decisions when it comes to all things technology and hardware.
     
  18. Sep 4, 2011 #838 of 1071
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    Ok, I'm a bit more curious...

    How many tivos do you have in your house? And how much per month does each cost?

    I find the DirecTV remote and the TiVo remote on par with each other. They both can be fully operated with your thumb, although I would give an edge to the directv remote because it has a few more direct buttons to access certain things that you have to go through a menu to do on a peanut remote.

    As for your wife, I'd bet good money she could learn the DirecTV system and be happy with in three weeks. It's easier to navigate, has more shortcuts so you don't have to do as many button presses to do simple things, like set a recording.

    As for auto records. That's just not true. You can set them up on direct and get almost the same kinds of results as you get now on yours. You can create auto record series links that will record based on certain tags, which is in essence how TiVo does it. The only difference is you have to create them, so you actually have a little more control over it than you do with TiVo. I set up a bunch at my folks house and my mom watches more of those than she ever did with the TiVo auto records.

    The real reason I'd never go back to tivo is because wish lists on tivos is so horrible and unreliable it's a total failure.

    With all that said, the hr34 is going to make everything else obsolete in terms of functionality for DirecTV, based on what has been seen of it at ces last year.
     
  19. Sep 4, 2011 #839 of 1071
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    As a person who has been holding out for the HD Tivo for DirecTV for years I can say that now that it is finally here I'm probably going to go with Comcast. My wife and I have had horrible experiences with Comcast over the years for internet access and only stuck with them as they were the only game in town. We watch very little broadcast television and staying with SD on the original directivo was good enough for her and I'm of the wait for it to come out on dvd or netflix variety so didn't really care. She was content to wait, but for it to come out after all these years and be completely wimped down was a complete deal breaker. She loves the tivo interface and the DirecTV DVR interface she was exposed to a few years ago was horrible enough that she won't give them a second try so it is off to comcast for us.
     
  20. Sep 4, 2011 #840 of 1071
    tonyd79

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    You do realize that the newer standalone TiVos don't look like the TiVo interface you are clinging to?
     
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