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DIRECTV HD TiVo (THR22-100) Anticipation (Official Q4-11 Thread)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Sep 28, 2011.

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  1. Drex5000

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    Here's my view on why there's an obsession with the "DirecTivo":

    I think that the HR2X have more functionality, but Tivo hit on something years ago with the HR10-250 (and SD counterparts) and that is simplicity. Most people don't like to have to figure out functionality in a DVR or really anything technical; they just want it to work and what they really want, even if they don't realize is it, is intuitiveness.

    People here are enthusiasts and many are on the bleeding edge of DVR technology, so I think we look past that because we like to figure things out and maximize its technical potential.

    This is why I think Apple is so successful (not to compare Tivo with Apple) but years ago they built a DVR that just hit the spot for many people, especially women--yes how many of your wives were angry when you replaced the Mpeg-2 HR10-250 with the HR whatever with it's clunky and slow menu system?

    It's taken years for DirecTV to catch up with their own DVR and I think they have an surpassed Tivo, but the irony is that many people still remember that tivo with it's simple interface, nice (granted SD) GUI, and cool peanut remote that just felt right.

    Drex
     
  2. I WANT MORE

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    P is exactly right here. Keep in mind though, if you pair a BCM7411 with the 7038 you still have to deal with the H.264/VC-1 codec.
    This may sound simple but it is really quite complex. :confused:
     
  3. tonyd79

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    I do not find Tivo more intuitive than the HR2x. I think it is all nostalgia and because Tivo fans learned about DVRs with Tivo, so they think that is the best.
     
  4. TDK1044

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    To me, TIVO is to DVR what BETAMAX was to VHS. It may have been there first, and it may have been superior in its day, but the market changed fast and it became irrelevant. :)
     
  5. bldxyz

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    :( I'm heartbroken that it looks so bleak for the Tivo and DirecTV combination that brought me into Satellite and DVR-land way back in the early 2000s. (Based upon what I'm reading here, the device will not be here in 2011 and then there's the theories that it'll be scrapped altogether).

    I understand there are many here who prefer or even love their DTV-softwared DVRs, but I still sit down with my HR22 and say "worst DVR ever" when it fails to do things my DirecTiVo did so easily. Perhaps it is rose-colored glasses, but:

    1. The feel of skip-forward/skip-back is terrible on the HR22. Tivo had it right: I could easily skip a commercial, and if I went one click too far, three quick presses of the skip-back button was always perfect. Since there is a delay in the HR22 displaying the consequences of your skip-forwards, and since the skip-back seems to be something like 4 seconds, I have never mastered. It is like driving a car with a tiny steering wheel and wearing oven-mitts.
    2. No matter how much you love the boolean search on the HR2x, I just cannot master auto-record searches to give me something correct when I want all Laker games, but not every bleepin' thing that had the word "Lakers" in the title or description, and certainly NOT stuff on the NBA channel that I do not even receive. This was absurdly easy on Tivo (unless I have rose colored glasses on).
    3. 3) Manual recordings don't seem to allow flexible limits, so the workaround that gets once-a-day SportsCenter or once-a-day Colbert Report just piles up the shows. Tivo did this better.
    4. It is flat out wrong that every season pass is tied to a specific channel. HBO series shows are across multiple channels, and if Tivo didn't get to record it Sunday night, it would get it the next time it aired on whichever HBO had it next. My HR22 would require that I set up some complicated auto-record search based upon a CCHAN range.

    These are just the things that come to me at the top of my head.

    HD interface? Nice to have. Mutli-room viewing? I can wait.

    I still want my Tivo! (And it may mean I have to switch to Comcast -- ugh -- to get it.)
     
  6. JBernardK

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    I believe that TiVo's season passes are channel specific--at least they are on a Tivo HD.
     
  7. tonyd79

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    Wow. Such misinformation.

    1. You can set the HR22 to do skip just like the Tivo. I actually prefer the slip because I can actually see it go by. BTW, the HD Tivo I had was sloppier with skip and skip back than my HR2x's. I think it is more a function of the HD than anything else.

    2. The backdoor logic for the Tivo worked very well but I never mastered the GUI driven Tivo logic. The buttons never made good sense to me. And, since Tivo killed the backdoor logic, the GUI is all that is left. It stinks. Give us some specifics on what you are trying to do with the Lakers games and we can help you. That is, if and when the Lakers play again.

    3. Manual recordings can be set to the minute and the duration can be set to the minute. How is that inflexible? BTW, none of my Tivo's figured out what the program name was when I did a manual recording. My HR2x tells me the name of the show (although Tivo may have improved that). I can set the recurring for every day, every particular day of the week or Mon-Fri. Sounds pretty much the same as Tivo to me.

    4. Tivo's season passes are tied to a single channel.

    Want to try again?
     
  8. inkahauts

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    Decoder, not tuner. Sorry! :)
     
  9. inkahauts

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    And yet the directv dvr is simpler to use than a TiVo these days by far, so that whole theory is out of the water. I think it's more about people being extremely resistant to wanting to switch and learn a new way, even if it's easier, because they are not as tech savy and therefore are afraid of change. That and the 50 series link and TiVo suggestions are eh only reasons I can even think of.
     
  10. inkahauts

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    And it wasn't even superior in it's day. Replaytv has always been a better machine. Even an old replaytv today is better than a current TiVo if you compare it based on just the features the replaytv had. Heck, it's also better than directv dvrs if you compare it that way. You got the best of both worlds. Easy to use for the masses, but plenty of advanced capabilities that you could use or ignore with ease.
     
  11. P Smith

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    Can you give your vision, why it happening ? We knew DTV bought ReplayTV's patents.
     
  12. inkahauts

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    Do you live in la? If so, here is exactly what you can enter into your search fields to create a perfectly working arsl for all lakers games, and no extra junk. Something that was NEVER possible with a TiVo at all, don't know why you think it was.

    AALL LAKERS EVENTS CCHAN 9 & Sports & Basketball

    AALL LAKERS EVENTS CCHAN 692 & Sports & Basketball

    AALL LAKERS EVENTS CCHAN 7 & Sports & Basketball

    AALL LAKERS EVENTS CCHAN 245 & Sports & Basketball

    The part after the & is what you choose after you tell the machine to do a keyword search.

    I choose to beak them out so that I can always get the game on the channels I prefer, and not the espn version that is sometimes also available when it's on 9 or 692. Of course, if this season is missed entirely, it will change next year when all games will be on either the national channel or the new rsn.

    I have been using those since we got Boolean search words, and never once missed a game, and never once picked up anything but a game. I put espn on there too for the playoffs, and also I have these at the top of my priority list, and set as new, keep till I delete and pad with an extra 3 hours.

    This format works perfectly for any sports teams. Often I will use only two arsl to catch multiple channels though, like...

    AALL UCLA EVENTS CCHAN 692 694 & Sports & Basketball

    AALL UCLA EVENTS CCHAN 2 605 & Sports & Basketball. Those two will catch all UCLA bb game son matter what channel they are on.

    Part of the reason you don't like the skipping has nothing to do with TiVo or directv. It has to do with when your watching hd its meg 4 now and doesn't look the same as meg 2 does. Try recording something in sd sometime and testing out skip there to see how it works for you, especially ffwd and rwd too.
     
  13. inkahauts

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    They have additional options that no one else has ever had, and made them so easy to ignore for most, but use for those that needed it. Best example, you could set a series link, and then choose what days and what time frames that it was allowed to record as well. Also, super easy to organize your recordings into folders by any way you want. Also, replay zones, which was very nice way to find stuff. Options to record to another unit with their mrv automatically poped up on the dvr if your where trying to record something and it would create a conflict. And more...
     
  14. P Smith

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    I mean - why those good options never find a way into new DTV HRxx software ?
     
  15. bldxyz

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    That's misinterpretation: I do have it set that way, and it just way harder to control. The skip back is absurdly short, and the skip forward doesn't catch up.

    When I had DTivo, it was a pretty simple WishList criteria, and it never recorded things on channels I didn't receive. Above, inkahauts kindly posted some suggestions, but he illustrates my point perfectly: his solution is complicated and requires multiple AutoRecords in order to avoid channels I don't actually get, all to do what Tivo did in one WishList.


    More misinterpretation/misreading. The problem is that I want one SportsCenter per day, and with Tivo, a Manual program would collect that and allow me to choose how many episodes to keep. So if I wanted to keep 5, I'd only keep 5. As it stands, I have to manually delete shows when they pile up.


    Not on any DTivo I owned.
     
  16. lotbass

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    In the sprint of up & down rumors...

    I talked to two difference customer service reps this week (on a non-TIVO topic). Of course, i haaaaaaaad to ask...

    One said, no more TIVO units are coming.
    One said, I just saw a training video on the new TIVO an hour ago.


    PS - Wasn't sure if posting this would be nice or mean, since it would encourage more emotional rollercoastering, but I figured anyone reading this thread was already on the TIVO-coaster as it was. :-( :)
     
  17. Scott Kocourek

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    I have regular manual recordings set up and you can choose to keep 1. There is no reason to have to delete the day before it happens automatically.
     
  18. tonyd79

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    Gonna ignore all the rest because of this simple fantasy statement. Season Passes were *by design* only one channel on Tivo. Statement of fact. If you owned a DTivo that did multiple channel season passes, you either had a very unique box or you have a idolized memory of a perfect box that did not exist.
     
  19. SledgeHammer

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    This is exactly why people are still hung up on Tivo. I was a big Tivo fan back then. I had a Sony SAT-T60 and then moved up to the HR10-250. Both great boxes.

    NOW... when DirecTV came out with the HR20, there was pretty much universal hatred towards it because it was a horrible box. The software was a HUGE step back from the HR10-250 and many features were not implemented like DLB, MRV, etc.

    My memory might be off a bit, but I'd say it took 2yrs for DirecTV to catch up to the Tivo and implement all the missing features.

    I can't fathom how any reasonable person can compare a HR10-250 to the current software on the HR2x's.

    I think at this point (as indicated by this thread), most people have given up on the box. There are a few hold outs obviously... but I still expect the box to get scrapped.
     
  20. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    I bet you're wrong. Especially seen new versions of FW spooling down to [T]HR22-100 on regular basis. Who will continue spending money for the Mohave project if it gonna to get scrapped ?
     
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