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Directv Just Blew E* Out of the Water

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by jal, Sep 26, 2007.

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  1. Oct 8, 2007 #401 of 905
    man_rob

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    Well if D* adds 3 HD channels this week, you'll still have the bragging rights to E* being SD leader.
     
  2. Oct 8, 2007 #402 of 905
    James Long

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    In order to go "apples to apples" one must add 29 to E*'s count for the RSNs. RSNs are not included in the Almost Everything Pack. (I suppose I could get into Superstations and other stuff if I wanted to get picky.)

    After four and a hald years of reading arguments on this forum I'll take any victory given by a D* subscriber. :D
     
  3. Oct 8, 2007 #403 of 905
    msmith198025

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    ahhh, the old RSN's . Is it the same argument we were having before though? Are those game only or nationwide?
    Yeah the superstations are one area for sure where E* has it all over D* . And i like that package
     
  4. Oct 8, 2007 #404 of 905
    James Long

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    24/7 with heavy blackouts, just like D*'s SD RSNs in Premier.
     
  5. Oct 8, 2007 #405 of 905
    msmith198025

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    Ok, then I would say it is fair to count them then;) what is fair is fair
     
  6. Oct 8, 2007 #406 of 905
    msmith198025

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    james can you give a rough overview of what is on E* SD that D* doesnt have?
    Ill be honest Ive got AEP on E* or the equiv. old package in SD and cant think of many if any that I dont get on D*.
     
  7. Oct 8, 2007 #407 of 905
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    Well, you do sort of bring it on yourself.


    I'm not anti-E. and have often been accused of secretly being an E* customer when I don't fall in line with the D* fans. I even thought of switching at one point, but D* upgraded me to HD for free, and E* doesn't have some of the channels I enjoy.

    Whether you admit it or not, you're a dyed in the wool E* fan, and are just as guilty of being argumentative as D* fans.
     
  8. Oct 8, 2007 #408 of 905
    harsh

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    The Sports Pack is available without the Premier package as a premium plex.

    Without knowing subscription statistics for the plexes, it is difficult to tell whether adding a particular channel is meaningful for a significant number of subscribers. Adding Cinemax HD to the dismal D* Cinemax plex may make it worth subscribing to.
     
  9. Oct 8, 2007 #409 of 905
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    That does hint that E* has topped out on the HD they can offer at this time, so now they change their definition of channels in an attempt to maintain bragging rights.
     
  10. Oct 8, 2007 #410 of 905
    msmith198025

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    I know they are available without premier. Saying they are available in premier had basis in the argument we were having about what should be counted and "base packages"
     
  11. Oct 8, 2007 #411 of 905
    harsh

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    I now understand what you were getting at.

    I'm not sure I associate Premier and AEP with "base" packages as they are essentially the top "base" package (Choice Extra/AT250) with all of the "premiums" included. Actually, Playboy is treated as a "premium" by DISH for billing purposes, but it is not included in the AEP while DIRECTV's Sports Pack is billed as a premium and included with Premier.
     
  12. Oct 8, 2007 #412 of 905
    msmith198025

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    Yeah what i mean by base package is the programming that you get at a flat rate per month without any add ons( MLB EI, gameplan, NFL ST, adult channels, ect...). So whatever is included in the package that you sub to, be it premiums or whatever are in your "base package"
     
  13. Oct 8, 2007 #413 of 905
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    OK, just to make things fun, I have a formula which I call the "HD Happiness Index". For any given subscriber to E*, D* or another provider, the following should apply:
    H= (HD1/HD) x (P1/P)

    Where :
    H equals the total HD happiness index
    HD equals the total number of high def. channels available from the service,
    HD1 equals the number of available high def. channels which you actually want to watch on a regular basis
    P equals the price of your subscription, and
    P1 equals the maximum price you would be willing to pay for the subscription

    Any thoughts?
     
  14. Oct 8, 2007 #414 of 905
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    Um, shouldn't this be in another thread?
     
  15. Oct 8, 2007 #415 of 905
    PhillyFan

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    My only point is that blowing someone out of the water involves more than just channel counts. 100 channels of HD home shopping network wouldn't do it for me...
     
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    My intent was not to be condescending or a reason to provoke anyone. I'm sorry you took it the way you did.
     
  17. Oct 8, 2007 #417 of 905
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    To be frank with you, it's not your place to tell others what to do here. When you do that, expect some forum members to be annoyed with you.
     
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    James Long

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    E* has 32 Shopping and PI channels "nobody wants" plus 8 other non-premium channels (International Music Feed, SiTV, Telefutura, UnivisiĆ³n Oeste, Hallmark Movie Channel, Mun2 Television, Nickelodeon Games and Sports, Veria) and 10 premium movie channels D* doesn't carry.

    D* has 8 Shopping and PI channels "nobody wants", three special channels (news and sports mixes and the 101) plus 6 non-premium channels (BET J, Chiller, Fuel TV, Logo, Ovation, PBS Kids Sprout), 1 premium movie channel and 1 RSN (YES) E* doesn't carry.

    The other channels E* and D* have in common.

    Remember, it's a numbers game ... no fair picking on shopping channels if you're going to count mostly upconvert channels as HD. Quality isn't the issue. Right? :)

    Please let me leave my moderator hat off for a while ... talk about the topic, not each other. This goes for everyone!

    :backtotop
     
  19. Oct 8, 2007 #419 of 905
    man_rob

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    You're racking up the bragging rights. Dish Network, The Shopping Channel Leader!. 30 more SD channels than D*, 24 of them being shopping networks.
     
  20. Oct 8, 2007 #420 of 905
    msmith198025

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    Mostly upconvert unless its in primetime, same as the Big 4 networks.

    I dont mind them counting shopping channels. I have more than enough of those on D* and i guess E* also. So one having that on the other is a non issue. But they are there, they are 24/7 i assume and they are national, so they should be counted.

    But thanks for the overview!
     
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