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Directv Just Blew E* Out of the Water

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by jal, Sep 26, 2007.

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  1. Oct 8, 2007 #421 of 905
    borghe

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    hmm.. this is kind of unfair though. I mean local networks have "mostly upconverted" programming also, yet we count those as full HD. UniversalHD has all HD content that almost universally (pun intended) is agreed upon that it is near worthless. Quantifying the "eligibility" of an HD channel based on the amount of HD or not is almost as arbitrary as just counting the "eligibility" based on the actual content itself (as you *ahem* do with the RSNs).

    The bottom line is that even though channels like USA, Sci-Fi, and TBS even upconvert most of their programming, the true test of an HD channel should be whether its most watched programming is in fact HD. L&O:CI, Monk, My Boys, SG:A, Sci-Fi Original movies and baseball have so far all been in HD this past week, and I think it's safe to say that when other highly watched shows come back... BSG, My Boys, Burn Notice, Dead Zone, etc that they will be in HD as well.

    If an HD channel is broadcasting the majority of its top rated programming as HD, I see no reason why one wouldn't count it, even if the majority of its overall programming isn't in HD. It would be like bitching about Sci-Fi not being mostly HD when you're talking about paid programming and mid-day reruns (which is essentially what's going on). By this merit, the HD RSNs should also be counted considering, again, their most watched content IS in HD. Whether you can get it or not is subject to blackout rules, but the content is still broadcasted in HD nonetheless. Heck, your receiver even gets it just fine.. although it letting you watch it is an entirely different story ;)

    also it goes without saying that comparing pay-to-carry channels to regular cable channels is inane at best.

    But really at the end of the day the quantity of channels, HD or SD, has very little to do with why people decide to go from one service to another. Things like customer service, price, incentives, convenience, and just old fashioned spur of the moment decision making have more to do with why people choose the services they choose. Heck, I STILL know people personally who have left one of the sat companies to go with our local cable co. People with HD setups who consciously make the decision to go to our cable provider who has had less HD that DirecTV even before this huge expansion.

    About the only place these numbers matter are right here on this board and others like it. That being said, I still contend that it says a whole lot about DirecTV's recent expansion when numbers have to be juggled like bowling pins at a carnival to keep E* ahead in the game of HD channel quantities between the two :D
     
  2. Oct 8, 2007 #422 of 905
    James Long

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    I discount the RSNs because of the amount of content MISSING on a national basis. If there was an underwater basket weaving channel in HD it would get counted. But if the best content on that channel was summarily removed from being viewed by most of the country the channel isn't national. (Even though I at the moment have no clue what the most compelling content on UBW-HD would be ... perhaps Bikini night?)

    The ESPN channels have their share of blackouts but not to the extent of an RSN.

    Getting into arguing every channel on the schedule gets tedius. If you don't like the way I add go ahead and add D*'s RSNs ... I'll add E*'s or I'll add the PPV channels (which are nationally available channels - available at a price). Or we'll agree to disagree. In any case, as long as I list all the channels you can do your own math.

    I know for sure that D* and E* will do THEIR own math and embarrass us all with the magic numbers they use. :(
     
  3. Oct 9, 2007 #423 of 905
    msmith198025

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    Who decideds what the "best content " is? I may not care to sit and watch a whole out of market game, but the ability to sit and watch some of that sports news, and catch up is very valuable to me
     
  4. Oct 9, 2007 #424 of 905
    projectorguru

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    you answered your own question, which is my point, its up to you the viewer to decide that, which is why i enjoy readin all your complaints about whos got what, cuz to me it don't matter what D* or E* or any cable satellite company says they have, its up to me to decide which has that content thats best for me;)
     
  5. Oct 9, 2007 #425 of 905
    msmith198025

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    Im just trying to understand James's logic:D

    And honestly, I really dont care who counts what, however i do enjoy a good discussion on the matter.
    Its all in good fun
     
  6. Oct 9, 2007 #426 of 905
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    Now you have decided to count SD channels?

    The people reading this thread don't give a darn about SD channels anymore. As far as I am concerned E* can be the SD leader forever.

    Keep the HD coming D*.

    ;)
     
  7. Oct 9, 2007 #427 of 905
    msmith198025

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    He was being sarcastic, but yes you are right, HD is the new IT thing.
     
  8. Oct 9, 2007 #428 of 905
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    People should give a darn about SD channels considering that's what you pay top dollar for each month and that's what the majority of all subscribers on all services pays for. People should be outraged at the quality of SD on D* & E*. Don't get me wrong, I love HD just like anyone else here, but to think that SD will go away anytime soon and to not be outraged about the picture quality of SD is very naive.
     
  9. Oct 9, 2007 #429 of 905
    richiephx

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    I simply responded to a comment. There is no reason to be so defensive and there is no reason to imply something that I did not mean or say.
     
  10. Oct 9, 2007 #430 of 905
    James Long

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    I've been counting SD for a long time ... mentioning it here only to make a point that a simple count isn't so simple. D* folks getting all excited about what is, at best, a two HD channel lead and, at worse, a 30 channel deficit?

    I thought no D* counter in their right mind would say that E* was ahead based on that simple yet accurate count of SD channels. So why would they say E* is "blown out of the water" over a simple HD count now? Emotional claptrap.

    Congrats on FINALLY getting some HD channels to brag about ... jears to D* for running the ad I saw last night on Fox Sports claiming 70 channels now.

    Which two E* HD channels are you ignoring? Which D* channel are you ignoring? Basted on the standards you expressed in this thread that should be 40 to 42.
     
  11. Oct 9, 2007 #431 of 905
    djstough

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    Basted? I think this argument is WELL DONE, myself!
     
  12. Oct 9, 2007 #432 of 905
    msmith198025

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    Ill double check my E* count.
    I had nine original not counting networks, and i still dont have them in my total.
    They added 21 then 11 for 41.

    Edit: 38 is what i get off of E*'s website
     
  13. Oct 9, 2007 #433 of 905
    James Long

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    Some parts done weller than others ...
    Perhaps we should have a 16 1/2 hour time out until both counts likely change?

    MHD was added a day later making 12 last week.
    Use mine ... it is more accurate than both E* and D*'s websites.
     
  14. Oct 9, 2007 #434 of 905
    msmith198025

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    msmith198025

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    good call, and i forgot about tbs for E* so i updated that.

    I looked at your E* list, i have no problems with that. so its updated
     
  17. James Long

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    The ripples seem to be getting smaller ... :)

    Congrats on the four new channels ... hopefully D* has rocked the boat enough that E* will add some real channels to the count soon! More HD for all!

    (D* added 21, then 6 and 1 the next day, then 4 for the 32 they claim on their website. The average is good, but they need to pick up the pace! :lol: )
     
  18. msmith198025

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    updated again as of this morning.
    That gap is probably going to get wider and wider for a while, then E* should catch up some;)
     
  19. msmith198025

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    Haha, at least they didnt add too many huh?;)

    Yes this is good for all, but a little good natured fun hurts no one
     
  20. msmith198025

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    your right, but it was 21 then 11 then 1. Now four:)
     
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