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Directv Just Blew E* Out of the Water

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by jal, Sep 26, 2007.

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  1. Sixto

    Sixto Well-Known Member

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    Agree.

    For me (and family) ... having prime-time networks in HD, all the baseball games around the country in HD, almost every football game in HD on Sundays, every major network in HD that offer an HD feed, and then a number of HD PPV's for any new movies ... well, what else could you ask for ... seems like the perfect world ... plus there's only so many hours in the day to watch anyway.
     
  2. ScoBuck

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    I think you miss my point. The posts these days center around if DISH is going to be able to keep up right now. My statement only implied that DirecTV was simply doing exactly what it announced to the world it would do in 2004. I don't see that they are in any way responding to what DISH did last year, or what they may do now. I think they took the lead and are not looking back.
     
  3. James Long

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    A local broadcaster just put up their HD feeds OTA ... for ABC and CW (two different stations). My receiver picked up the channels (with no EPG) fine on the first day of broadcasting. There was an issue at the station that was preventing the EPG from being linked properly ... as of last night the station fixed the issue and E* customers get these OTA HD channels with EPG - just like they should!

    I wish I could say the same about D* receivers. People have had to trick their receivers to get any reception at all and EPG data is still not being linked/passed properly.

    In the realm of "what matters" these two OTA HDs are worth as much to me as many satellite HD stations. An ABC affiliate that airs NASCAR and ND games and a CW affiliate that airs Smallville. Programs I'd like to see in HD.

    Quantity is easy ... just start counting. Quality is a debate that will never end.


    Both satellite providers looked at a market place that included each other and a third satellite competitor that has bowed out. They made their plans. E* went hard into HD in 2006 ... even though they had HD channels before then that is when the big push started. They had plans to do more earlier than 2006 but content providers were not ready. Now the content providers are ready and E* is ready to push ahead with them. D* was not ready to go hard into HD in 2006. Now they are and they have picked a good time as content providers have caught up with the desire of programmers such as E* and D*.

    Did E* push D* or was it just "market forces"? E* and D* push each other to stay ahead of market forces.
     
  4. Tyrate

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    Considering all the bitching I do about Directv, I must say for the 1st time in a long time, I am pleased with the HD product they put out so far and once again I can say to my wife "You see I told you Directv was a good investment" it's been awhile! The king is back on top!! :D
     
  5. PCampbell

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    All my locals have worked great for me , guide data and all.
     
  6. pickadish

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    Look let's make this real simple.

    Only two national U.S. satellite providers.

    One had a commanding market share of subs 7 yrs ago.

    Today the market has grown considerably and the market share between the two is close to even.

    Care to ask shareholders, investors, financial analysts, local marketing, and partners if E* has had any affect on operations?

    Do you have some inside information that backs up this absurd notion that D* does nothing in response to E*? What exactly does D* internal Sales & Marketing departments do all day if they are not concerned with losing marketshare and what their MAIN AND ONLY DIRECT COMPETITOR is doing?

    If you can take off the glasses for a moment and think logically why would a TECHNOLOGY company announce plans several years in advance?

    Let me give you some reasons.

    1.) They don't have the resources to jump head first into HD whatever their BIG PLAN is.

    2.) Because of issue #1 they are hoping to one up a competitor and maybe keep the financial analysts and consumers thinking about them as a leader?

    3.) Because of issue #1 they need to make sure the people who REALLY run the company don't freak about changing market conditions. Those in charge BTW are the shareholders, investors, and financial analysts. Not you and I and our $100/month service fee.

    4.) If your internal analysts are worth a SH$T they would have seen VOOM was a take over candidate and would have to determine likely scenarios in who might buy them. You think they considered E* might do it?


    Fast forward to 2005 and now E* is flat out leading the HD provider race. You think over the next 2.5 years ANYONE at D* noticed this???? I know they are VERY BUSY with the BIG PLAN but you think at any meeting at any level someone mentioned the fact the E* is kicking thier A$$?

    Think perhaps their plans may have been altered a little by this situation?
     
  7. ScoBuck

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    I don't have the sub numbers from 2000, but the numbers from end of 2002 were - directv 11 million, dish 8 million. Currently directv over 16 million, fish over 13 million. Looks to me (that the facts back up) both added about the SAME number of subs. Dish is still about 3 million behind them!
     
  8. James Long

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    As posted four days ago:
     
  9. ScoBuck

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    Thanks for the numbers. And it does look like dish was adding more up until end of 2002. Since then they have added about the same. Also the adds in 1999 and so on have nothing to do with HD or todays market place really.
     
  10. msmith198025

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    I havent had a single problem with Guide data on my HR-20 or H-20. Pulling in stations from 100 miles with each also.
     
  11. msmith198025

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    I agree with you that D* is doing exactly what they said was in the plans two years ago. there is no doubt about it, and we are reaping the benefits! yay!
    But would they have felt the need to announce so far ahead if Dish wasnt there? Why would they? A response to competition is what it appears to me.
     
  12. ScoBuck

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    I view it more as throwing down a challenge to the competition, it couldn't have been a response. A response to what? Also, you are leaving out the other competitors in this from THAT time - VOOM itself AND the cable companies. The biggest HD challenge at that moment was NOT dish!
     
  13. TBoneit

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    D* is bigger because they were first. I know that the D* had no DVR until after E* and the Dishplayers which were the first Satellite DVRs, Note I said Satellite DVRs not first DVRs as Tivo and Replay were out first. D* went out and got two different DVRs because of the Dishplayers. They ended up with a really good one that they let die from Microsoft. Now they've rolled their own which is arguably worse than the E* 622/722 DVRs. Oh wait the 622 is the first Mpeg4 DVR with dual tuners.

    However we all know that D* is the leader and never copies any good ideas.

    Memory tells me that E* started doing LIL bigtime before D* and I remember My D* PQ taking a big dump when they started doing LIL even though they didn't really have the capacity at that time.

    And D* also lead the way in turning off channels to make room for Sports. Another Number one for D*.

    :soapbox: Living in NJ I know about being #1, for the wrong reasons. Nuff said.
     
  14. ScoBuck

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    The difference being dish turns off channels as a negotiating tactic. Then they stay off for weeks or months at a time. I am guessing you find that more acceptable.
     
  15. msmith198025

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    Overall biggest no, but biggest for the sub. base D* had, i disagree and say that it was DISH. Most sat. subs. at that time werent in a position to get cable. only had one other real choice.
     
  16. msmith198025

    msmith198025 Member of the Year

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    Now that i agree with!
     
  17. richiephx

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    So, are you saying that, any carrier should just accept any price that any programmer says? I'm not a E* contract negotiator, but, logic tells me I wouldn't. So the contract expires and the programmer doesn't allow carriage. On the other side of the coin, I think the programmer could also say...continue to carry my channel until we come to terms because we probably will. It goes both ways. Come on Sco, you're a baseball fanatic, you should embrace a little hardball negotiation?
     
  18. msmith198025

    msmith198025 Member of the Year

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    what about the customer in all of this, all they usually know is, hey i have missing channels, where is the money i was paying for them
     
  19. richiephx

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    Doesn't TOS state somewhere that programming can change without notice? I agree with you that, under these circumstances, the subscriber who loses a channel because E* can't agree on price before the carriage term will be unhappy but, would they be more unhappy if they had to pay more each month because a greedy programmer is demanding too much for carriage? On the E* side, it's a no win for the subscriber to lose a channel but it is a win for the subscriber not to have to pay to keep it. On the programmer side, if they truly cared for their viewership, they would be more flexible and not be as demanding when they negotiate carriage agreements. That would be a win situation for the subscriber. I don't claim to know why E* does what they do but, it's a business decision on their part. And, I guess if a subscriber is that unhappy over losing one channel, there is always an alternative.
     
  20. Matt9876

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    Directv has a real bandwidth advantage for HD at the moment over E* and cable,With the successful launch of D11 it will make this advantage much better.

    This advantage probably won't last long about two years or so before E* gets a new bird up or cable switches to all digital.

    Directv needs to use this time to expand it's HD customer numbers and be the King of HD !

    In the long run all HD customers are going to win. :)

    Matt
     
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