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Directv Just Blew E* Out of the Water

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by jal, Sep 26, 2007.

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  1. JLucPicard

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    I love that this has turned into a 28 page pi$$ing match over how to count channels! :D LOL
     
  2. marksman

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    Bottom line is there IS non-game HD content on these channels.

    I know you want to cling on to your E* Woobie blanket with all your might, but your constant erroneous insistence that these are somehow not real channels has gone beyond all reasonableness at this point. You would be much better off just not talking about them in any way shape or form at this point. It potentially negatively taints everything else you might have to say.
     
  3. mrrydogg

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    This is the most coherent posting on this entire thread.

    "HD capable" channels is what we should be counting. D* can count ALL channels that can provide HD content as should E*. Whether or not the content is there. If tomorrow Fox decided to make all RSN's 24/7 HD programming channels...D* would have no issues with handling the feed.

    These number counts are stupid. By the end of the year if/when D* reaches their 100 channel goal, it won't really matter. The bar is finally being raised. Its good for everyone.
     
  4. mrrydogg

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    Second most coherent post!
     
  5. Tom Robertson

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    While James and I disagree from time to time, this kind of ranting seems to more negatively impact you than what James supposedly does or does not do.

    What James does: very consistently count channels across providers;
    patiently and accurately describes his method of counting;
    shares even more information to help others who might choose a different strategy for counting;
    makes fun of both Dish and DIRECTV for their methods to "count" channels; :)
    and upholds the highest standard for gentlemanly behavior in these discussions. (And continues to share information at every turn.)

    I started on the RSNs should be counted. After reviewing the guides for them, I'm now agnostic. DIRECTV and Dish both have done a great job getting more HD out there! :)

    And James has been an awesome resource for us all.

    Thank you, James.

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  6. MikeR

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    My 2 year old son pointed at this post and asked....what is that?:D :lol:


    I say put up two or three more satellites! Or buy Echostar.;)
     
  7. Jeremy W

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    AT&T is already busy with that one.
     
  8. James Long

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    Really? The first five HD RSNs added are 24/7 from the source but these recent six have no sign of HD coverage other than games per the channel provider itself.

    Upconverting SD and giving it HD bandwidth will improve the picture ... but it does not make the channel HD for anything more than the channel provider gives in HD.
     
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    If you are correct that that do not have any HD other than game content then I will for now consider them game only HD and remove them from the list. Which ones are they?

    Bear in mind that if next week they go hd 24/7 they will be on the list.
     
  10. James Long

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    List what you want ... I've got them listed AFTER the 24/7 RSNs on my list as an aid to counting. (It makes it easy to draw the line depending on what one wants to count.)
     
  11. richiephx

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    I asked this once before but, (we should all personally care about the total number of channels that are offered), why? Can someone give a concise and meaningful answer?
     
  12. James Long

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    Because we can.
     
  13. ShawnL25

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    Because it's fun
     
  14. Tom Robertson

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    Why not?
     
  15. richiephx

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    Can't be anymore concise than that :lol:
     
  16. tonyd79

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    Am I reading this right? You are saying that an SD signal upconverted on your box is the same as an SD source upconverted at the station?

    If that is what you are writing and mean, then, no, you are incorrect. The picture quality is like night and day.
     
  17. James Long

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    You don't have a ViP-622 DVR or ViP-211, do you? :D

    Yes, upconverting at the source would eliminate the PQ loss of satellite encoding. But one is eliminating the PQ loss AFTER upconversion that the satellite leg (even via MPEG4). My HD set is forgiving enough that it doesn't matter which end the conversion is on.
     
  18. gashog301

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    D* could have 500 Hd channels, but all that matters to me are they showing anything in HD???? Some of these new channels have NOTHING!!!! I know its good when they do start showing, we will be ready. BUT, theres not really anyway to say D* blew E* out of the water yet. Maybe D* has E* in a fullmount position and is raining elbows but the fight is not over yet.
     
  19. Jeremy W

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    I may be forgetting some, but I believe that the only new channels that have yet to show any HD content are FX, Speed, and Fuel.
     
  20. bullitt

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    You guys have short memories, this is a very competitive industry and no one sits back. If AT&T buys Echostar, it will be a whole new ballgame. The better cable companies are ahead of us in a few ways - Video on Demand, Local HD, etc. A few years ago E* had distant locals with no waivers, more channels and now its DTV's turn but it won't last more than 3 months or so. By the way, just having more is not necessarily better. Quality over Quantity.
     
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