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DirecTV Locals - City By City (v3)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Alan Gordon, Jul 12, 2012.

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  1. Aug 22, 2012 #61 of 377
    Gary Toma

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    Check out the 'LIL Market List' tab in the TPN Map Excel. According to Nielsen the "TV Households" for 2012 is:

    229,320 for Lafayette, LA
    223,620 for Monterey, CA
    221,920 for Bakersfield, CA

    all three DMAs lost position (had a lesser count, or negative growth) from 2011 to 2012.


    You can disagree with how Nielsen defines a marketing area or perhaps how they count 'TV Households'. But remember, they apply the same rules from DMA to DMA. A whole lot of decisions are based on the Nielsen benchmarks.

    Now - why do you live 8 per house?
     
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  2. Aug 22, 2012 #62 of 377
    antzona

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    Wow, so almost every person in Lafayette owns two homes.
     
  3. Aug 22, 2012 #63 of 377
    antzona

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    I suppose my market suffers because we are only 100 miles north of Los Angeles, 100 miles south of Fresno, and 100 miles east of Santa Barbara.
     
  4. Aug 22, 2012 #64 of 377
    tonyd79

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    DMAs are the coverage area of the stations, not the population of the titular town. I live in Columbia, MD, which is part of he Baltimore DMA. The city has about 620,000 people. The DMA is about 1.1 million households. It all depends on what is in the area.
     
  5. Aug 22, 2012 #65 of 377
    Gary Toma

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    Just did some cursory homework: antzona is absolutely correct!

    120,623 Lafayette city
    554,517 Lafayette statistical marketing area


    347,483 Bakersfield city
    839,631 Bakersfield statistical marketing area


    The Nielsen data is correct as shown. But like antzona, the more I learn, the less I understand it....
     
  6. Aug 22, 2012 #66 of 377
    Alan Gordon

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    The market I live in consists of 18 counties.
    The market I was born in consists of seven counties.

    While the market I live in is higher on the rankings, it has been losing ground these past few years, yet the market I was born in has been climbing the charts.

    Granted, the market I live in is mostly rural and a good percentage live below the poverty level, whereas the market I was born in is in between two major metropolitan cities.

    ~Alan
     
  7. Aug 22, 2012 #67 of 377
    antzona

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    Yeah, I understand that, but that still doesn't explain a lot of inconsistencies. Look at gct's post. Bakersfield's statistical market is 60% larger than that of Lafayette, but we are below them on the DMA list. How can they have more households with 550,000 people compared to the 840,000 in the Bakersfield market?
     
  8. Aug 23, 2012 #68 of 377
    DViper2399

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    I noticed on the chart it shows Utica,NY MyTV is listed as HD only, but it is actually SD only
     
  9. Aug 23, 2012 #69 of 377
    trainman

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    The Nielsen DMAs don't necessarily match up with the Census Bureau's MSAs.

    Here's the best free map I could find of the DMA boundaries and counties -- the Bakersfield DMA only covers about half of Kern County, California (the rest is in the Los Angeles DMA); the Lafayette DMA covers a number of parishes.
     
  10. Aug 23, 2012 #70 of 377
    tonyd79

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    If there are bordering markets, that makes a difference. A town that has less around it gets a bigger market geographically. In my case, baltimore and Washington are different markets for Nielsen even though many things are shared. If Washington were not so close, the Baltimore market would be much larger geographically. It would include the area that today is DC and its suburbs (not with as much population as is there now obviously, but much larger in numbers than today).
     
  11. Aug 23, 2012 #71 of 377
    Baldmaga

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    I think the problem could be with how the Bakersfield area is calculated. There are obviously people that would fall into their DMA outside of the city, but there is less fringe area with more DMA's in California than Louisiana. Lafayette's "market reach" may also jump into Lake Charles, Baton Rouge or Alexandria where Bakersfield could dip into many more different areas.
     
  12. Aug 23, 2012 #72 of 377
    sbelmont

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    One has to remember that Bakersfield is at the bottom of a U shaped valley, so the signals have limited reach, especially to the South and West. Two of the transmitters, comprising 3 network stations, however, are on the top of a mountain that does allow some signals to go East. The other transmitters are on a lower mountain that limits their range.
     
  13. Aug 23, 2012 #73 of 377
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    Using your link I was able to "sleuth" this link:

    http://dishuser.org/TVMarkets/Maps/

    This has all the STATE maps as well, including this one:

    [​IMG]

    It makes it a little more clear what is part of the Lafayette DMA. You can then research how many people live in each Parish on the map. Looks like that in a nutshell, it is all Parishes surrounding Lafayette Parish, and then a few more. :D
     
  14. Aug 23, 2012 #74 of 377
    Gary Toma

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    This is an interesting conundrum.

    I am sure you are receiving WUTR (21) MNT in SD only. And the Directv website page for locals also concurs - MNT 21 is not available in HD.

    Alan's Chart in this thread shows that channel as HD because of the way it shows up in our 'TPN MAP' data. The data shows this channel from TPN 1 of the SW2 sat, and clearly in MPEG4 compression. That typically indicates an HD channel. However...

    Today all Directv HD channels are transmitted in MPEG4; HD channels are no longer transmitted in MPEG2 because of the wasted bandwidth. The HD transition from MPEG2 to MPEG4 happened just a few years ago.

    While all HD channels are now in MPEG4 and most SD channels are still typically in MPEG2, this appears to be a case where standard def program content is being provided in MPEG4. We can clearly distinguish the MPEG4 compression - but that has nothing to do with the resolution of the program content that is being carried.

    I am sure Alan will note your posting and update the Utica Chart accordingly.

    And thanks for the input!!
     
  15. Aug 28, 2012 #75 of 377
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    Anyone see anything new on 8/29 for Monterey/Salinas??

    I get everything via antenna currently - but it would be nice to get rid of the extra stuff and not worry about a few shows that get poor reception due to fog...

    Plus my neighbor is getting installed today or tomorrow and I was suggesting they get an antenna...
     
  16. Aug 28, 2012 #76 of 377
    Alan Gordon

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    Unfortunately, a start date is not known here, at least that I've noticed anyway.

    Hopefully it won't be much longer... :)

    ~Alan
     
  17. Aug 29, 2012 #77 of 377
    antzona

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    I added up all those parishes around Lafayette and the population is around 475,000 according to the 2010 census. Considering the western "half" of Kern County, which makes up the Bakersfield DMA has close to 800,000 people. These DMAs still make zero sense, unless you assume that people in my county live 8 per household.

    The Eastern "half" of Kern County gets Los Angeles locals, and has a population of around 50,000.
     
  18. Aug 29, 2012 #78 of 377
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    Sure hope they get it going by the NFL opening, the Niners in SD on Ch. 32 look like a Leroy Neiman painting as seen through the bottom of a shot glass!

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  19. Aug 29, 2012 #79 of 377
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    New HD locals added

    Raliegh/Durham NC

    28 WRDC MyNetwork TV HD
    40 WUVC Univision HD
     
  20. Sep 1, 2012 #80 of 377
    SuperW2

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    I've been waiting 5 or 6 years for Monterey/Salinas (with a short stint convert to Comcast and back last football season) so another week or two or whatever it's going to be isn't going to matter much!!

    Would have been nice for Opening of College Football today (will have to watch my Huskers in SD on ABC, but I'm used to that by now!) :nono:

    Appreciate the news that it won't be long (fingers crossed that this won't be another 2 year test cycle).
     
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