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Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by RACJ2, Jun 24, 2009.
1 Free if you subscribed to Plus HD DVR so 6x$199 so $1194.
I dont believe that to be true. As far as I know its DNS or locals but not both. I have DNS and since my package dont have locals and if they were to get them my understanding is I have the right to stay with what I have. If I ever changed my package then I would probably have a problem though. I would say that for those that already have locals yeah you may be right in the sence that you might have a hard time taking them off but I still bet it can be done.
How about a DirecTV commercial showing a tech removing the Dish DVRs iut of people's homes due to losing the Tivo lawsuit. A scroll of "Dish has been ordered twice to disable DVR functionality and has lost patent judgemetn of $184 million and counting. DirecTV has no such problems. If you love DVR, subscribe to DirecTV"
I mean fair is fair, right? and its true, too. Not an implication.
I haven't seen a casino yet that didn't sub to NFLST and their capacity limit is huge.
Sure your average ma and pa bar in an area of 10000-3000 people will only be about 100-200 but in the top 5 city's there hundreds and maybe a thousand sports bars with capacity in the thousands. Remember capacity must include all people in the building not just customers.
So there are some companies that I'm sure are paying more then some people make in a year working full time for the package and SF.
If locals are available in that area and you're changing your package you do not have the option of opting out of them. If you're in a grandfathered package without local channels you can keep it that way so long as you never change that package.
Also as a side not notice the companies doing the worst are the ones slamming out commercials about cost? Sprint is trying to do the same thing.
I think the more successful companies are the ones who want people to shop around to see the real value rather then believe a commercial they saw one time and think it's law. Sure those commercials might get you to look but the people who just believe them outright are the customers that will fall for it the next time as well.
dish also has MENY OF THE RSN's AS GAME ONLY HD and they don;t have the bandwidth to show all feeds in a HD at one.
The second HDDVR, a 612, would be $100 leased, the next 5 would be $399 each.
Sorry, question was about D*, not E*.
Except D* could be sued for touching E* property...
I just have to chime in on this one. My monthly bill for Directv with choice, 2 HDDVRs, and 1 SDDVR is: $81.99.
If I've done my math correctly, my bill with Dish would be: $94.93
(I would want a separate DVR for each room, and NFL network which is on the top 200)
(I would also want all current HD channels that Dish carries, leaving the all HD packages useless)
top 200 with HD - 57.99
locals - 5.00
DVR - 5.98
DVR - 5.98
DVR - 5.98
second HD DVR - 7.00
third HD DVR - 7.00
So... We are all paying for NFL ST and Directv is higher huh?? Dish Network needs to try harder, because those of us educated enough to do the math, know better. Now if Dish would do away with the DVR fee for EACH receiver, they would be competitive with Directv.
For all the Dish bashing here...I'll give them credit for providing a much larger selection of programming packages than DirecTV. It's much easier to find an package that will meet most needs at a lower cost. DirecTV should consider offering its customers more of a choice. HD only packages and a package in the $40/month price range.
Financially, it's also fact that the ARPU of Dish customers is significantly less than that of DirecTV customers. While Wall Street doesn't like that...it does suggest that most customers are paying less for Dish services. Is this because of Season Ticket? I dunno.
For me the price is about the same its what I would give up to go to Dish that would kill me. Here is a list of what I would miss but pay the same price.
NFL Sunday Ticket
FSN's Dish dont have
All the Grand Slam Tennis events with like 5-6 channels of coverage.
Believe it or not I love the DNS feeds I get with Directv as well. I like being able to record of the west coast.
The only thing I think I would gain from Dish is I would get locals in HD even but I also would be stuck with watching Chiefs and Rams each NFL season and thats about as bad as it gets. No thanks!!!!! With the prices being virtually the same there is no reason for me to lose a ton of sports programming to have Dish.
I hate to be a canary with just one song, but whether dish is cheaper than direct all comes down to if you can and will optimize your equipment.
You can get a second tv fee waived or a DVR fee waived with a duo or the 211. Ideally you should only end up paying the $2 extra per HDTV. This might not work out for everyone, but I imagine it does for most. Especially people who saving $5 a month on tv matters.
The $2800 price point of 7 tvs is an example. First off, theres a $50 install fee on all the purchased receivers that shouldn't get charged. Then by going with 622's instead of 722's you save $50 off the purchased and $100 off the leased. especially since your likely to get 722's anyway, if the 622's are out of stock. Get 211's with he ehd for anouther $100 a piece off the equipment, Use a 33 switch for anouther 50-80$ off. Should be around $1700ish. That's not tooo terribly shabby for a lot of purchased equipment that has theoretically a resale value. If you don't mind mirroring and using sneakernet, you can shave a bit more off that. Either way your monthly price should be lower then direct.
or you can buy this instead, which is cheaper then both for such a huge number of rooms. http://www.zeevee.com/connected-home/zvbox100
note on the graph: Isn't Q3 '07 when Direct put out that completely fictional 150 HD channels ad? I'd feel gypped if my commitment was almost up and they still didnt have the channels they "promised."
Thanks for the link to the ZvBox, I hadn't seen that option before.
As far as the 150 HD channels, I don't think most of us subscribed to D* because of that claim. Personally, I wanted more sports in HD and the free mix channels like "The US Open Golf Experience". I'm getting what I signed up for.
The most basic part of the ad is false "We refuse to carry the NFL Sunday Ticket."
Sunday Ticket is the most sought after subscription programming service in the USA and the various providers fought for it and D* paid a handsome sum to get it.
Dish wishes they had ST.
I think sucks to have to give up my Total Choice programming just to be able to get my locals. I couldn't even believe what the C.S.R. was telling me. Pay more money & lose channels that I watch alot to get the locals(+another $8). The eight bucks isn't the problem. Why can't they give me the locals without changing? They're not even crediting me for not carrying them. Free? I don't think so.........
Actually Dish usually gets panned for having too many packages and for being confusing. And then they change up their package names every year or so it seems to make it even more confusing. I do agree it would be nice for DirecTV to have something in between Family and Choice, but I will give them props for being straight forward and not confusing.
I think answer is a simple one: More Dish customers take the cheap package. The "low end" is what Dish has been going after for a long time and they even admitted that it has hurt them now because those people are the first to default on their bills and cancel in a recession. Meanwhile DirecTV has been targeting "high end" customers for a few years and it has paid off in that customers spend more and they are less likely to cancel in a downturn.
I didn't quote for Dish I quoted for Directv. They only charge $199 for a leased HD DVR. So I quoted what the sign up cost would be for 7 HD DVR's if you did that with DirecTV. Which is what you asked.
DirecTV's packages are a bit simpler, but there's still little tripping points like HD Access, HD Extra, Sports Pack, SuperFan on the League packages, etc.
On the ARPU...you're once again making a financial comment..from the consumer point of view more choice is better. packages with lower price points afford more choices and it appears Dish customers take advantage of those packages.
Right now the two providers boil down to this. If you want NFL/MLB go with DirecTV. If you require 4+ DVRs go with DirecTV. if you want Movies/Premiums go with Dish. If you want a lower cost general interest package and don't require more than a basic 4-room setup (1-2 HDTVs & 1-2 SDTVs) then Dish is probably less costly as well.
People in the house impacts it as well. 1 receiver covering 2 rooms isn't an issue for a single person as they won't watch both at ths same time so taking up that tv to record something isn't an issue. However having that same receiver cover 2 people's room will run into issues recording.