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DirecTV No Longer Allowing a Mix of HD and SD For New Customers?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Beerstalker, Mar 7, 2013.

  1. dpeters11

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    Of course I've seen cable companies that charge a DVR fee per DVR, not per account like DirecTV does, on top of monthly charges down to the remotes.
     
  2. samrs

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    If I were you I would place the order for the Genie and three clients assuming you plan on being there for your parents.

    When the Tech shows up tell him you want to add three rooms. We all have a number for work order modifications. If he gets stupid send him packing and try again. If he calls tell them you want 3 standard receivers. The system should do the upgrade. If it doesn't go down that way have your card ready.
     
  3. TomCat

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    Yeah, the MDU industry is in a pickle when it comes to HD. One of my duties is extending the local Cox distribution into our company to a mix of 200 SD and HD sets. We insert a few SD channels locally, but like you we find that high price of admission for HD modulators to be a stumbling block.

    I am wondering if this would work, and since you are in this biz I would like your opinion. Are SD modulators capable of 16x9 480i? If you build the headend with HD receivers, and distribute as SD, it could increase the PQ quite a bit. The caveat there is that old "square" 4x3 sets would probably letterbox it, and seniors don't like letterboxing much more than they don't like not having HD.
     
  4. TomCat

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    It is what it is, and you are not really being asked to pay per outlet, you are being asked to pay per STB. Unfortunately, unless you do your own distribution and have the same channel fed to multiple areas, you kind of need a STB for each TV.

    You could move to cable, but that would only get you the clear QAM channels (not cable's fault, the movie studios' fault).

    But you are still doing better than me; I am jealous because I can't find room for a pool table! :)
     
  5. HoTat2

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    Even if you get the SD receivers, since local channels are pretty much a basic programming staple, won't your parents find the three SD receivers unable to receive any local channels on those SDTV sets annoying?
     
  6. bobcamp1

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    THANK YOU! I can't believe nobody mentioned this yet. They need all HD equipment for all their sets if they want to watch locals on all of them. You cannot get the local stations using SD equipment in an MPEG4 market.

    Edit: I just saw Beerstalker mentioned this earlier. That's what I get for posting while talking to my wife about something completely different....

    I also just remembered, in my MPEG4 locals market, the CSR refused to let me order an SD receiver. That was 24 months ago. But the HD equipment was listed with SD prices.
     
  7. bobcamp1

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    What's wrong with three additional minis at $50 each? That's $150. Also, if your parents don't need a DVR, you can get up to 6 free HD receivers.

    You don't need HD service with the HD receivers -- the receiver will block all HD channels except for the locals, and the box's resolution will be limited to 480i and 480p. But I'm assuming the parents have at least one HD TV, so that's not an option for saving some money.

    I agree that D* is missing out on some customers by charging $6/month for the RVU client. They created the technology just for your parent's situation, but priced it wrong.
     
  8. FussyBob

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    Clear QAM will most likely be history soon. The FCC recently approved a bill allowing cable companies to scramble all broadcasts, requiring a minimum of a DTA for each TV. I talked to my local cable company manager and he said yes they are going to scramble all signals including the Basic package (chan 2-22) which was still in analog. New digital clear QAM turners won't work anymore, DTA or HD boxes (at additional monthly charges of course) will be required.
     
  9. acostapimps

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    So I went to the directv website just to see what will work for a 7 room setup, But they only have for 6, so I chose that and suggested that I get HR34 plus five clients (I think they mean c31's) What's the purpose for that when the genie has five tuners and clients have none?. Then you wouldn't have anything to record or watch live tv if they start watching tv on all five client boxes
     
  10. acostapimps

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    I checked the setup in my market and is either all HD or all SD not mixed.
     
  11. dishinitout

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    Only 3 if the 5 clients can be in use at any time. Only get that many clients if you will never have more than 3 clients turned on at once. If your house will ever have need for 4 or more clients on at once you'll want HD boxes for the additional rooms.
     
  12. acostapimps

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    Which in doing that would be $300 upfront like OP said. I guess you can't have it both ways if your a new customer, unless you go to a dish retailer for installation/setup. On Directv website you can type in your zip code to find the nearest retailer.
     
  13. dishinitout

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    As I had previously stated in this thread this is a company wide policy regarding new accounts for retailers and Directv in house sales channels. Only way for retailer to mix HD and SD equipment now is build new acct for HD then sell the SDs at $59ea which is basically pointless and for cost difference should go all HD.
     
  14. Rickt1962

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    Yep. back then the phone companies rented you the phone. When you wer allowed to purhase you own phone is when they broke up that monopoly ! Same goes with DTV ! Yea if you rent the equipment you should pay. But if you own it they should not be allowed to charge you to use your own ! Its about time Uncle Sam steps in and breaks that up !
     
  15. CCarncross

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    The satellite companies have always charged a fee for each additional viewing location, it isnt due to the box, its a mirrored programming fee, so leasing or owning your receivers has never ever been part of it. I believe it has something to do with the way they have their contracts negotiated with the content providers, meaning the carriage agreements with stations. I much prefer this method to having to pay a full subscription price for each location in my house like they could charge.
     
  16. Rickt1962

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    What did the cable company's do when u had 10 TV's watching all those channels ? Did the content providers charge them extra ? I guess we will never know what that Pay out structure is at DTV will licenses and etc etc... Does it cost them a dollar for each TV ?
     
  17. Lugnut

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    Yeah... I have mixed feelings about this new equipment structure for new customers.

    Well, at least I don't have to hear "You guys have better deals for new customers than old customers" anymore. :lol:

    EDIT: I think we should at least allow the Genie + 3 clients + 2 HD free, considering the techs are required to install at least a SWM-8, anyway...
     
  18. Rickt1962

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    I Think its all B.S. Dish had the Dual Reciever that 2 people could watch different channels at once and the second was never extra ! And DTV and its 5 tuner unit is looking to really rip off people of ther hard earned money ! :mad:
     
  19. sigma1914

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    DirecTV doesn't charge extra for a second receiver to watch on. The first 2 units are $6 (or was it changed?) on your account.
     
  20. dpeters11

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    How is it a rip off? They don't even charge an extra fee for it. Additional TVs are the same as with any other box.
     

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