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DIRECTV Re: OTA: "We Will Have a Dual Tuner Solution"

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Tom Robertson, Oct 28, 2007.

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  1. Oct 28, 2007 #41 of 1344
    psychobabbler

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    I'm totally with you on this one. I don't even have SD locals from D* yet, so the OTA option is essential for me as a customer, otherwise I have to go to *gasp* cable to get the two HD locals that we get (out of 4) or to Dish, and settle for SD locals. I like D* too much to consider these options, but that would be the only way where I live currently. My TV also has no built in tuner, so doubly would suck for me...
     
  2. Oct 28, 2007 #42 of 1344
    Knon2000

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    What makes people so sure that they won't continue manufacturing HR20's? Seems like everyone assumes that they are done.
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  3. Oct 28, 2007 #43 of 1344
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    There's a precedent for D* offering something for free at one time and then charging in the future such as HDNet and Universal HD. Not saying they will, but I could see allowing those with HR20's to be "grandfathered" into having free OTA, and those in the future having to pay for it.
     
  4. Oct 28, 2007 #44 of 1344
    Doug Brott

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    Perhaps, but looking at it from a business perspective, I'd have to consider if the folks that want OTA would be willing to pay or not .. and if not, would they be leaving DIRECTV if it weren't there. Certainly I don't know the answer to that, but looking at it on the surface, I can see why DIRECTV would want to switch this feature from a free service to a pay-for service. The folks that really want access to it would still have an option.
     
  5. Oct 28, 2007 #45 of 1344
    gregftlaud

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    How about ....when people call in for an install or a receiver replacement the csr and/or dtv protection plan dept asks the customer if they need a receiver with OTA capablities and then send out the appropriate receiver. Doesnt seem to hard!
     
  6. Oct 28, 2007 #46 of 1344
    Tom Robertson

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    Comcast here does not have OTA in their DVRs or STBs. They don't send all the subchannels either.

    For that matter, I am unaware of any cable company supplied STBs/DVRs that include OTA; tho I can be ignorant. :)

    Cheers,
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  7. Oct 28, 2007 #47 of 1344
    jtn

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    Carriage and FCC rules don't permit the charging of free programming that one can get OTA, whether it be SD or HD programming on ABC,CBS,CW,FOX,NBC,PBS. If a customer can get these channels free why would they pay for it? DirecTV is already offering it for free, why change if competitors are not.

    It's only a matter of time for all other carriers (Cable companies like Comcast, Verizon FiOS, Dish Network) to add the same quantity of HD programming, and they wont charge for OTA. Plus they wont add to the cost of programming to remain competitive. They (carriers) won't have a choice but to keep competitive.

    Yes Doug if you are an investor or have stock in DirecTV, it's in your best interest for them to charge customer more, so you get a better return annually, or in your commissions. Customers will just switch once the programming and services they want are available from another source.
     
  8. Oct 28, 2007 #48 of 1344
    Tom Robertson

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    Jtn, OTA is not carriage, does not qualify as must carry rules, etc. DIRECTV, Dish, cable companies could charge for the use of the feature.

    I think, at this point, it would be foolhardy to charge monthly for OTA.

    Cheers,
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  9. Oct 28, 2007 #49 of 1344
    Coffey77

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    I can see DIRECTV either offering a credit for an OTA tuner or even providing one for free to those whom ask or qualify with certain criteria...

    They'll still be saving quite a bit of money.
     
  10. Oct 28, 2007 #50 of 1344
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    Tom: IMHO DirecTV can quickly and easily solve this problem by providing installers with both HR20 and HR21 DVR's. Then provide for both HR20 and HR21 in the on-line ordering web page. Finally add a question for the CSR to ask a subscriber when they order an HD DVR whether they want or need the OTA capability.
     
  11. Oct 28, 2007 #51 of 1344
    Ken S

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    DirecTV does NOT give OTA for free now. To test call them up and cancel your satellite package and see if you can watch the OTAs through your DirecTV STB. Any signal that goes INTO a currently available DirecTV STB costs you something to get it out of that box.

    As for charging extra for channels that used to be part of a package...well isn't that what they've done with HDNet and HDNMovies?
     
  12. Oct 28, 2007 #52 of 1344
    Doug Brott

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    Agreed Tom. And perhaps DIRECTV won't even charge, but instead point you to the manufacturer solution that works - that's yet to be seen. In that situation, the customer would still have to pay, but they would not be paying DIRECTV. DIRECTV would still be making zero on the entire solution.
     
  13. Oct 28, 2007 #53 of 1344
    Tom Robertson

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    While this would likely mean the installing companies would have to change their process significantly (often drivers only have just enough receivers for their workload that day), I completely agree this would be a suitable solution.

    Another thought relating to the free or not free discussion. DIRECTV could perhaps have a policy of 2 free tuners per household and maybe even more in areas not yet served by HD-LILs

    Cheers,
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  14. Oct 28, 2007 #54 of 1344
    Ken S

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    Doug,

    I'd bet they'd charge something for making the EPG available for the OTAs.
     
  15. Oct 28, 2007 #55 of 1344
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    Tom Robertson:
    OTA most definitely does fall under must carry. Just digital OTA doesn't.

    Closing threads because DTV has said "we will have a solution" with no info about when or what it is seems awfully forward. I can imagine the concern expressed on here led to DTV's giving information that they will have a solution. I for one would like to know more, including whether it records OTA or not, whether it has one OTA tuner or two. And most importantly, when it is. If it's gonna be two weeks, maybe I'd accept an HR21, if it's going to be 9 months, there's no way. Also, I want to know the cost, is DTV going to charge me for OTA? If so, how much? Up front or by month? Will this solution be integrated into any future MRV?

    In short, now that DTV is treating OTA as a 2nd class citizen, what effects will this have?
     
  16. Oct 28, 2007 #56 of 1344
    spartanstew

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    Lots, including me.

    And just as many people know and don't care. I know exactly which extra channels I could get OTA and would never watch any of them.


    But for those of you that do utilize OTA, I'm glad D* is reassuring you that the ability won't be going away ( just like several of us have tried to do for the last couple of weeks). :D
     
  17. Oct 28, 2007 #57 of 1344
    Doug Brott

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    This is not a matter of whether DIRECTV has to carry these channels or not. Clearly they don't since most DIRECTV receiver types support no form of OTA capability. DIRECTV is also not limiting your reception of these channels .. use the ATSC receiver from your television and bypass DIRECTV altogether .. Yes, you want the recording capabilities of the HR20 and that is understandable, but you still can get it for free.

    DIRECTV may end up charging simply because they can - regardless of the competition .. If it backfires, then the market will show the results. The facts that I have been given from a couple of different sources indicate that OTA is only necessary for a small percentage of the user base .. Much of the user base at DBSTalk.com falls into this "small percentage" category, though. DIRECTV may in fact decide that it just makes better business sense to provide a "free" or nearly free solution for OTA when folks need it and otherwise simply not worry about it.
     
  18. Oct 28, 2007 #58 of 1344
    jtn

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    I'm glad we agree that what a customer can get for free without signing up for any carrier shouldn't be charged for it. Local affiliates that transmit SD/HD over the air, don't charge people who receive these signals, as the FCC doesn't permit it and they are permitted to record it whether it be analog/digital for no fee. People can buy DVR/combo units that get (receive) digital/analog signals and won't have to pay a fee to anyone for ABC,CBS,CW,FOX,NBC,PBS, the channels that already are free tv. Newer televsions have tuners built in for reception of digital/analog TV. And in 2009 the government may subsidize the cost for converters for the public who don't want HD and want to use their analog sets.
     
  19. Oct 28, 2007 #59 of 1344
    Doug Brott

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    Only in the sense that if one LiL channel is distributed via Satellite, all of them that want to be distributed must be (for each DMA).

    That's not what's being discussed here. What is being discussed is reception by the HR20/HR21 of signals over the air and there are no rules governing must-carry there. OTA is from the stations themselves and is not even being distributed by DIRECTV.
     
  20. Oct 28, 2007 #60 of 1344
    Doug Brott

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    Personally, I don't think DIRECTV should (whether able to or not) charge per month for OTA. They could via certain fee structures, but I don't think that would help anyone. I do understand the need/desire of DIRECTV to recoup some of the cost of the STBs and if they are providing external devices I can see that it would make sense to charge extra for those devices.

    Tom hit on a solution that would likely be satisfactory to a lot of the folks that would be affected by this and that is to provide two ATSC tuners for free (to those who need it) and then charge more for additional (extra receivers, etc.). That would minimize the costs even farther and keep most folks happy at the same time.
     
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