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DIRECTV Re: OTA: "We Will Have a Dual Tuner Solution"

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Tom Robertson, Oct 28, 2007.

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  1. Jan 6, 2008 #1301 of 1344
    bwclark

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    I talked Friday with a CSR about a pre-sales installation and the need for locals. The only ability I have for locals is either an antenna for the digital signals or the local cable. The CSR was non-responsive about the short comings of the HR21 and never offered any HR20 as a solution.

    If he truly had wanted a sale, and the HR20 was available that he would have mentioned it to me...nothing.
     
  2. Jan 6, 2008 #1302 of 1344
    Drew2k

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    If you want HD via cable, the OTA solution would require Clear QAM support, which I would love, but I don't think it's going to support it.

    I don't think regular cable would work either.
     
  3. Jan 6, 2008 #1303 of 1344
    litzdog911

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    I don't think anyone here knows the answers to those questions yet.
     
  4. Jan 6, 2008 #1304 of 1344
    bhelton71

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    I think people mention the H20 ( non-DVR ) as having the later generation (5th) tuner. My personal theory is unless LG is building this (which is possible) then the addon will have a 4th gen design.

    I can't remember exactly who (Earl maybe?) - but it has been mentioned the new device is not expected to work with the HR20 - which goes back to the first point - I would expect the new device to share the same tuner design as the HR20 currently has.
     
  5. Jan 6, 2008 #1305 of 1344
    bwclark

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    The locals here via cable are not in HD, not in digital...just plain vanila analog. :(
    But that is all that is available and I need them and can't get them....so the question if an antenna is not used.

    My Panny plasma has no tuner, so the need.
     
  6. Jan 6, 2008 #1306 of 1344
    jwd45244

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    Nope. The signals are not the same.
     
  7. Jan 6, 2008 #1307 of 1344
    ShiningBengal

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    They will not sell you an H20. The only time you can get an H20 from DirecTV is if you need an under-warranty replacement--and even then, you have to be talking to the right people. Let's face it...they aren't making nearly enough of them...if in fact they are still making them at all.

    You can still find them at retail stores...Costco is a good choice if you have them locally. They are $30 less than what DirecTV would charge for them, plus you don't have to pay the $20+ tax shipping charge DirecTV adds on, so $50+ cheaper than DirecTV. There are other places you can buy them on line for the same price you would pay at DirecTV.

    You CAN find one if you look hard enough. For now.:D
     
  8. Jan 6, 2008 #1308 of 1344
    hdtvfan0001

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    There are no "shortcomings" as you've described them. The HR21 was intentionally designed without OTA support. Most customers of DirecTV simply do not need and/or want OTA. Some do want it, and a few actually really do "need" it to get their locals. This has been bantored about here 100 times now.

    There are tons of posts in another thread as well as this one about the pending OTA offering for the HR21 to resolve anyone who has that device and the HD locals "need".

    There are also countless posts on how people DID get HR20's if and when they were "needed", along with the lack of acceptance (not you personally) of the fact that that OTA just isn't the life-altering issue most posters think it is...

    The fact that DirecTV is even responding with an OTA solution for the HR21 validates that they even want to satisfy the vocal minority.

    After looking at this thread since it started now, and seeing the NASCAR-type loop around the track, I'm reminded of the scene in National Lampoon's European Vacation and want to yell out:"Big Ben". :D
     
  9. Jan 6, 2008 #1309 of 1344
    mossdaddy

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    I've been a frequent reader of this thread and I realize that most of the posters either prefer the Cartoon Network and Food Channel in HD to any major network programing or they live in a major market and get local HD off the SAT. Lucky them.

    I however continue to get Mpeg-2 signals and would love to upgrade. But I really don't care for the Cartoon network and wouldn't trade my local HD content OTA to get them. I still don't understand a company that isn't willing to share the "solution" with long time customers that initiate a contact while somehow feeling that giving "inside information" to a couple of moderators of a web site is okay.

    Okay, I don't get it.

    Having said that, I'm bleary eyed from reading this and other blogs instead of actually watching HD content. There will probably be an OTA solution someday. But if D* can't let me know about it at CES, why wait. All the wonderful HD stations they are adding are predominately not actual HD programming. They're just up converted SD.

    In addition, I get the impression (not like I could get info from D*) that the "solution" won't be for the H21, but for the HR21 only. Tell me insiders, is that true?

    So, no public announcement at CES means that I will convert to Dish. By the time there's a solution I can actually buy, I will be far enough into the 18 month commitment that I can get a deal from D* to come back.
     
  10. Jan 6, 2008 #1310 of 1344
    ShiningBengal

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    I understand you feel now, but I'm not sure how you will feel when TiVo's lawsuit against Charlie's patent infringement knocks his Echostars out of the sky.

    Everyone seems to pooh-pooh that possibility, but there's definitely an Elephant in the room. Hint: TiVo's lawyers handling their patent infringement case wouldn't be doing so on contingency if it didn't have merit.

    Then again, DirecTV could have the same fate befall it in 2010 when their "immunity" agreement with TiVo runs out.:eek2:
     
  11. Jan 6, 2008 #1311 of 1344
    hdtvfan0001

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    We would all love to know things when WE want them, but that's just not the way life works.

    To illustrate this point:

    Before the new D10 DirecTV satellite was launched, there were literally dozens of threads and thousands of post speculating what any new HD channels offered would be, when, how much, etc....

    What people may not know is that all this new HD equipment stuff has alot more to it than we all want to and probably need to know - design and internal testing, licensing contractual agreements with the manufacturers, testing cycles, distribution and training, physical warehousing logistics, and the like. In simple terms, lots of "stuff" has to be done just to launch a new piece of any equipment.

    Historically, DirecTV has always chosen not to announce anything until there is certainly that it will be delivered. That's a prudent business practice that hundreds of other companies use as well. You can't be disappointed if you don't know what or when something is coming.

    DirecTV is in a dynamic business, meaning things are constantly changing and they have to plan for and respond to change. This includes internal testing, field testing, and all the logistics that go with those tasks, as well as any legal contractual issues, etc.

    We are actually very fortunate, in that DBSTalk is an excellent source of information that is at the edge of current information - we often learn of new things before the general public here. There have been plenty of "First Look" pieces here first.

    We are also lvery ucky that we have Earl Bonovich leading many of the DirecTV communication efforts - the CE program, new information, etc. With his leadership, and based on a long track record of tremendously valuable efforts on all of our behalf, I would simply recommend we keep our eyes and ears open here to learn something specific when he is able to share something more about the OTA solution. Odds are we will be near the first to know thanks to Earl's link to DirecTV contacts on such things.
     
  12. Jan 6, 2008 #1312 of 1344
    mossdaddy

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    It's amazing what you can sell to a fan. D* supposedly slips information to someone on the internet and you find that perfectly acceptable and normal. But they refuse to admit to that information and that makes sense to you as well.

    I'm perfectly willing to accept that in general companies keep products secret until they are ready to announce them. But they don't general sneak the information out unless they are just trying to stall customers. (Microsoft for example)

    Anyway, this thread is a waste of time. Good luck to all you believers.
     
  13. Jan 7, 2008 #1313 of 1344
    Tom Robertson

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    Mossdaddy, I'm sorry you feel that way. I know about DIRECTVs solution, I wanted to share with everyone here that it is coming. I wanted to share that it was dual tuner.

    And DIRECTV released Earl and I to share just enough information to help people know that a plan is in place and a solution is coming. The plan is to completely satisfy anyone's OTA needs as well as an HR20 would.

    I suspect that the solution will not be announced at CES, I'm sorry to say. DIRECTV rarely announces things of this nature before they are baked. For example, we couldn't talk about the HR21 until it was in production.

    I will say that you will not be even close to the end of an 18 month commitment when it comes out.

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  14. Jan 7, 2008 #1314 of 1344
    bwclark

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    I would like to see more written about this....in another thread by you or anyone else. As a potential new customer waiting for the "OTA solution", I have cable and although I only have 10 HD channels they are excellent PQ. So, what's the deal on the DirectTV HD "Not" being HD?

    Cable Guy
     
  15. Jan 7, 2008 #1315 of 1344
    Doug Brott

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    DIRECTV HD is the exact same HD that cable companies would be getting. The channel is a High Definition channels that is getting a full High Definition picture (including the black bars in some cases). What is at issue is that the content providers will often take standard definition programming, up-convert it to high definition format and then send it to DIRECTV. Some companies stretch the 4:3 picture to 16:9 while others try to maintain the original aspect ratio (OAR) which results in black bars.

    Switch carriers may be a "feel good" move, but the competition will be showing the exact same HD .. just not as much of it ;).

    And, since this particular topic is off-topic for this thread let's get :backtotop
     
  16. Jan 7, 2008 #1316 of 1344
    ShiningBengal

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    DirecTV is not totally responsible for PQ. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. In other words, garbage in, garbage out. True, they used to compress their signal making the picture noticeably soft, even on HD broadcasts. From what I can see, with the new bandwidth associated with the new birds dedicated primarily to HD. that's a thing of the past. The OTA HD channels I receive are virtually identical to the LIL HD stations I receive from DirecTV's satellites.

    Some of the new channels have truly phenomenal PQ, because for one, they started out live with very high quality PQ before they were uploaded to the satellites. There are, to be sure, many more new channels than you could fill with 100% high quality HD. Many are stretched, cropped, upconverted, etc.

    The History Channel HD, and Bio HD are particularly guilty of this. Their saving grace is their programming, IMHO is very good overall. The Smithsonian Channel HD is nearly 100% very very high quality, but suffers from too little programming, meaning that you might see one or two new programs in a week.

    But that's OK. There are other channels to watch in the meantime. :D

    ->Edit-< Sorry Doug, posted as you were issuing the request to get back on topic.
     
  17. Jan 7, 2008 #1317 of 1344
    bigmac94

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    Personally I`m hoping its a MRV issue,the USB I mean
     
  18. Jan 7, 2008 #1318 of 1344
    GP245

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    Once again, all of this is speculation. But, projecting that the "Add-On" will possibly have a 4th Generation chip is just too, too way out. 4th Generation technology goes back very far. My Sony HD SAT300 receiver, which I bought at the very end of its run, August 2004, has 4th Generation. My Sharp TV which is almost 1 1/2 years old has 5th Generation. And what a world of difference using the same Silver Sensor antenna split - one leg to the Sony and the other to the Sharp.

    Peter Putman, a highly respected evaluator/tester of all things HD, in his recent review of the Zenith DTT900 ATSC Receiver (converts analog O-T-A to Digital)
    talking about the quality of O-T-A reception, mentions that the chip is either
    Gen 5, or possibly by the time this Receiver is on the market, it could be Gen 6!

    Even with some of Direct's idiocy that we've had to live through, I really doubt that the "Add-On's" chip would be older than Gen 5. Only my guess.
     
  19. Jan 7, 2008 #1319 of 1344
    Spanky_Partain

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    Guess that is why I have a VCR hooked up to it. Oh well, I guess the solution will be fine when it arrives. :D

    EDIT
    Ya know, the VCR doesn't have any tuners in it. But it sure was cheap!
     
  20. Jan 7, 2008 #1320 of 1344
    ShiningBengal

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    What's a VCR? Isn't that a 240 line limit on resolution? Must make your 1080i display really shine!:lol:
     
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