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#1 ·
Next up, DirecTV-14, 2014.

Space Systems / Loral (SS/L) Selected to Provide High-Power Satellite to DirecTV:
http://www.ssloral.com/html/pressreleases/pr20100611.html
RB-1 (S2711 at 99°) FCC Filings:
Application: http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/ib/forms/reports/swr031b.hts?q_set=V_SITE_ANTENNA_FREQ.file_numberC/File+Number/%3D/SATAMD2008011400013&prepare=&column=V_SITE_ANTENNA_FREQ.file_numberC/File+Number

Original (1/2008): http://licensing.fcc.gov/myibfs/download.do?attachment_key=-141474

Grant (7/2009): http://licensing.fcc.gov/myibfs/download.do?attachment_key=727403

Bond (8/2009): http://licensing.fcc.gov/myibfs/download.do?attachment_key=737367

Build (7/2010): http://licensing.fcc.gov/myibfs/download.do?attachment_key=837188

Modification (7/2011): http://licensing.fcc.gov/myibfs/download.do?attachment_key=907941

Schedule-S (7/2011): http://licensing.fcc.gov/myibfs/download.do?attachment_key=908556

RB-2 (S2712 at 103°) FCC Filings:
Original (1/2008): http://licensing.fcc.gov/myibfs/download.do?attachment_key=-141476

Letter (7/2011): http://licensing.fcc.gov/myibfs/download.do?attachment_key=908362

Letter (7/2011): http://licensing.fcc.gov/myibfs/download.do?attachment_key=910484

Modification (7/2011): http://licensing.fcc.gov/myibfs/download.do?attachment_key=907995

Schedule-S (7/2011): http://licensing.fcc.gov/myibfs/download.do?attachment_key=908568

Sixto said:
The FCC approvals from 7/28/2009 ... the Notes are from early September last time I checked:

FCC Application | Company | Callsign | Slot | Notes
SAT-LOA-20050210-00031|Intelsat|S2662|91°|Surrendered
SAT-LOA-20060412-00042|Pegasus|S2698|91°|Surrendered
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SAT-LOA-20060908-00099| DirecTV| S2711|99°|Paid (RB-1)
SAT-LOA-20050210-00029|Intelsat|S2660|99°|Surrendered
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SAT-LOA-20060908-00100| DirecTV |S2712|103°|Paid (RB-2)
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SAT-LOA-19970605-00049|DirecTV| S2242|107°|Surrendered
SAT-LOA-20020328-00052|EchoStar|S2442|107°|Paid
SAT-LOA-20060412-00043|Pegasus|S2699|107°|Surrendered
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SAT-LOA-20020328-00051|EchoStar|S2441|111°|Paid
SAT-LOA-19970605-00050| DirecTV | S2243|111°|Paid (RB-4)
 
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#2 ·
Placeholder for reference information.

Ku
101° / 110° / 119°​

Ka-Hi
Spaceway-1 (LiL: 103°)

Spaceway-2 (LiL: 99°)

DirecTV-12 (CONUS: 103°)​

Ka-Lo
DirecTV-10 (CONUS/LiL: 103°)

DirecTV-11 (CONUS/LiL: 99°)

DirecTV-12 (LiL: 103°)​
Ka / BSS
DirecTV-14 (CONUS/LiL: 99°)​

Two Line Element (TLE) Format:
A NORAD two-line element (TLE) set consists of two 69-character lines of data which describe in detail a spacecraft's trajectory around the earth.

Calculated and published by the U.S. government regularly.

http://celestrak.com/columns/v04n03/

http://www.space-track.org/tle_format.html
Boeing DirecTV-10/DirecTV-11/DirecTV-12 Fact Sheet:
 
#4 ·
Other thread (D10/D12) went quiet for a couple of weeks, so good time to close.

Figured would finally re-open this thread, first few posts still need MUCH work.

Latest news is FCC applications for new earth stations (E100079 & E100080):
Haven't yet looked at frequencies to see if this is needed for new D12 HD. At least new up-links to support D11 LiL.
 
#5 ·
Origin application to communicate with KA sats:
D8, D9S, D10, D11, SW1, SW2.
Amendment to add D12

100079 SWUF KA3 at Tuscon Pima, AZ
100080 SWDF KA3 at Benson Cochise, AZ

Doctor j
 
#6 ·
doctor j said:
Origin application to communicate with KA sats:
D8, D9S, D10, D11, SW1, SW2.
Amendment to add D12

100079 SWUF KA3 at Tuscon Pima, AZ
100080 SWDF KA3 at Benson Cochise, AZ

Doctor j
Not exactly sure what the "D" stands for in "SWDF" for the Benson Cochise, Az. site, but still interesting info. for us techno-geeks nonetheless. :)
 
#7 ·
If I remember the discussion in the D12 thread, the next sattelite that D* will launch is D14. I have looked, but I have not found a thread that has any information on filings or rumors. Do any of the sattelite guys out there have anything new and juicy for us.
I know that D* and E* both said they would have 100% LiL coverage by 2012, but I don't think either of them can do that without launching another bird (or two).
I still live in one of the 6% of the country that D* still doesn't cover.
 
#8 ·
I don't recall any announcement from DirecTV stating that they are doing 100% locals. Dish is using a marketing way to do it so that they comply with some statutes. Either way the last thing I read was just a PO to order them had been announced a while ago. You'll know if something starts to happen as Sixto, and Lamelefty will start posting FCC filings and hdtvfan0001 will somehow double his posts.
 
#9 ·
Shades228 said:
I don't recall any announcement from DirecTV stating that they are doing 100% locals.
I thought I remembered something about when they were both talking to Congress about the law that passed. I thought the caveat was that they were required to have 100% SD coverage by 2012 (the year could be off).

I guess this depends on your definition of "coverage" and "100%". :lol:
 
#10 ·
veryoldschool said:
Yeah, I kind of knew this "news". I was hoping something more recent. It has been 7 months since Loral supposedly starting constructing D14. Wikipedia says a 2013 launch date, but it had no references, so my guess is that its someone's guess.

I just know that the FCC paperwork has a lead time associated with it, so I hoping that someone that is "hooked in" might have some additional information.

The silence is deafening...
 
#11 ·
sarhaynes said:
Yeah, I kind of knew this "news". I was hoping something more recent. It has been 7 months since Loral supposedly starting constructing D14. Wikipedia says a 2013 launch date, but it had no references, so my guess is that its someone's guess.

I just know that the FCC paperwork has a lead time associated with it, so I hoping that someone that is "hooked in" might have some additional information.

The silence is deafening...
There is always silence between launches because the cycle from:

satellite order...to manufacturer...to test...to delivery...to launch is often measured in years, not months.
 
#12 ·
As far as Dish goes, the launch of spotbeam configured Questzsat-1 to 77W late this year will give them much increased capacity for LIL. The sat at 77 now is a CONUS bird with the beams pointed away from Canada border regions. Spots at 77w might also free up some markets in the east that are only on 129 (my presuming they will get moved off of 129 and to 77.)

As far as DirecTV goes, I think their plans for migration of all remaining markets off of 72.5 and onto 99 or 103 is probabaly taking a lot of their 2011 focus and will of course eat up some portion of the available bandwidth there too.
 
#13 ·
My guess is that DirecTV-14 is going to be very similar to DirecTV-12 at 103 WL by providing Ka A-band CONUS beam service from 99 WL. Maybe a 99ca? :)

The only major difference is it will likely have a full CONUS coverage reverse-DBS band payload unlike DirecTV-12's limited 4 spotbeam RB-2A package.
 
#17 ·
hdtvfan0001 said:
There is always silence between launches because the cycle from:

satellite order...to manufacturer...to test...to delivery...to launch is often measured in years, not months.
So we are talking glacial speeds here. Then again with global warming, glaciers are moving faster... :D
 
#18 ·
Shades228 said:
If everything goes smoothly with reverse DBS I could see them putting it at the 101.
RAD said:
But it also has a Ka payload, does DIRECTV has licences for Ka at 101?
Shades228 said:
You mean KU and honestly I don't know if they can do KU at the 101. I would guess not but who knows what they have in the works.
101 is Ku now and yes I meant Ka since part of the announcement said:

The 1300 is a decades-proven, modular platform that has highest power capability and flexibility for a broad range of applications and it would enable DIRECTV 14 to use Ka-band and reverse band spectrum on a satellite that will help DIRECTV expand its HD programming to both national and local markets.
 
#19 ·
sarhaynes said:
So we are talking glacial speeds here. Then again with global warming, glaciers are moving faster... :D
No just right now there's really nothing to talk about. Once the FCC filings happen we'll talk for months about it. The first FCC filings will have what the bird is setup with and for. Orbital slot won't be correct but based on the load they setup on it we can usually tell what it's for and it's plans.

We will do that for a few months and then another filing will come out and we'll talk more for months then a launch date will be announced and we'll anticipate this for months and then finally it will launch which will let us argue about PPV and HD channels for a month while it gets into position. Then we start all over in about a year.
 
#21 ·
Directv's most recent investor day presentations made reference to D14 being launched in June 2013 but give no specifics. I would think the exact RF payload will depend on the results of testing of the RB-2A BSS payload which is on D12.
 
#23 ·
LameLefty said:
Directv's most recent investor day presentations made reference to D14 being launched in June 2013 but give no specifics. I would think the exact RF payload will depend on the results of testing of the RB-2A BSS payload which is on D12.
Makes sense.

Amazingly...there was alot of chatter about BSS testing around D12's launch time...but there's been a black hole of no news since on that front since...
 
#24 ·
As I recall there was speculation that the extended IOT of D12 was to fully exercise and analyze the performance and capabilities of the RB-2A payload and the BSS technology.

At the same time there were others speculating that the unexpectedly long test period was an indication that something had gone horribly awry, and that didn't turn out to be the case.

If they did find out everything they needed to know with BSS on D12 I would not be at all surprised to see a fully functional BSS payload on D14.

Does anyone know when DirecTV would have to have their payload(s) ready to join to the satellite bus to meet a 6/2013 launch projection?
 
#25 ·
HarleyD said:
Does anyone know when DirecTV would have to have their payload(s) ready to join to the satellite bus to meet a 6/2013 launch projection?
My SWAG would be that Directv would have to make sure that they have their RF system specs completely nailed down by Q1 2012 to get the systems fabricated and integrated into the spacecraft bus with sufficient schedule margin to allow for any glitches. Fortunately, nothing is particularly new or different in design of the spacecraft or the payloads - it's just the combination of parts is always at least somewhat unique, and some of them might have a long lead time. Hopefully, the RF systems subcontractor to Loral already has a set of preliminary high-level specifications to work from and has pre-ordered any longer lead-time items.
 
#26 ·
LameLefty said:
My SWAG would be that Directv would have to make sure that they have their RF system specs completely nailed down by Q1 2012 to get the systems fabricated and integrated into the spacecraft bus with sufficient schedule margin to allow for any glitches. Fortunately, nothing is particularly new or different in design of the spacecraft or the payloads - it's just the combination of parts is always at least somewhat unique, and some of them might have a long lead time. Hopefully, the RF systems subcontractor to Loral already has a set of preliminary high-level specifications to work from and has pre-ordered any longer lead-time items.
I hope they get the Rally Sport package with the leather and wood interior.
 
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