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DirecTV secrets stolen!

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by James_F, Jan 2, 2003.

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    James_F

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    Well, that didn't take long, did it?
     
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    Talk about a setback for DirectTV... Hackers probably working like mad now thinking how to break P4. That one bit of espionage could cost DirectTV billions.

    The poor copy shop will probably be sued into oblivion.

    Hackers worldwide are rejoicing a new P4 revenue stream.

    NDS probably has a new card waiting for DirectTV to use, laughing all the way to the bank...

    I cannot believe they would let this go to a copy shop where anyone could see them. I wonder why the lawyers needed the plans?
     
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    Karl Foster

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    It was bound to happen. I'm sure Directv had hoped to at least get all the new cards fielded first before this...
     
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    DirecTv decided before Christmas to delay shipping out the P4 cards for another reason because the hackers were catching on or they knew something else was up. Anything man made can and will be broken. Name something that is man made that has never been broken.
     
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    Today's New York Times has an article about this issue.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/03/technology/03PIRA.html

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    It claims, in part that the lead anti-piracy lawyer for DirecTV said that the card can't be hacked even if you know everything about it.

    Such a statement would seem to negate the charge against the thief...
     
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    Richard King

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    I don't believe that the VCRS that is used by the c-band industry has been successfully hacked.

    The Titanic was unsinkable also. :rolleyes:
     
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    While everything may eventually be hacked, this could make the difference between it being hacked before the card is turned on (in P4 mode) verses the card being hacked 6-18 months later. If they were able to turn off hackers for a few months it would kill a huge section of the hacker community.

    If hacking were to be prevented for a year it would probably prevent major hacking in the future. They would have time to come up with a new card and be ready to release it when P4 was finally hacked. If they could keep releasing new cards ahead of the hackers instead of behind the hackers, the hacking industry would die off. It may not stop the true hackers, but all the ignorant masses that pay them $X/month to have a hacked system would no longer fund the operations... who is going to pay to have a card that no longer works?
     
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    They should diable all receivers that haven't "phoned home" in a while. It is a requirement of Directv to have all receivers connected to a land-based phone line. Just enforce the policy.
     
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    Wow! That's the quickest yet!
     
  12. Jacob S

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    Starchoice and DCII has not been hacked yet either have they?
     
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    The Navajo Code Talkers code in WWII was never broken.
     
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    Digital Cable.
     
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    They need to CHANGE the policy. They need to have the receivers phone in and obtain authentication from DirecTV BEFORE they are authorized to receive. Then set up a call every month to change encryption keys. Two way authentication is the only way you're going to stop piracy. Digital cable is miles ahead in that respect.
     
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    It has to be a supply and demand thing as well, if nobody wants it then it wont be cracked. But if millions are into it then it will be sooner or later.
     
  17. Jean Le Puck

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    This is one of the major reasons why Expressvu outsold SC in Canada, since PQ is generally better on SC. The number of Expressvu subs who pay the minimum to get all the programming is estimated to run into the hundred of thousands. Expressvu's main cable competitor in Quebec paid for a study that claimed that 19% of Expressvu units are paying zero or are repointed at Dish and paying zero.
     
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    I know about a hundred RV'ers/Liveaboards that don't have access to a phone line (other than a cell) and dish is the only way they are going to get decent TV. In this day and age of cheap cell plans, I know several people now who are dropping their landline service, since they never use it and it costs more to make the calls they do with their cell.

    The only real way to fight piracy is to give would be pirateers very little reason to do it in the first place. In other words, keep (or bring) pricing for programming down to where it is too much trouble to even think of pirating. As prices go up, so does pirating. Of course, there are those that just steal for the sake of stealing, and again, if the trouble they go through to get it free costs more than it would to pay for it legitimately... piracy will eventually stop.

    My beef: ALL the non-premium channels have as many (if not more) commercials as the "free" networks, and WE are paying to get these damned channels! Getting their cake and eating it too? For this reason alone I can understand why someone would pirate just on principle...
     
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    He don't kid yourself. DirecTV has a problem for 3 reasons. NFL Sunday Ticket, Porn Channels, and lots of PPV.
     
  20. Karl Foster

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    I don't care if people are cancelling their home phone in favor of cell phones. It is in the CONTRACT the subscribers agree to that their receivers will be connected to a land-based phone line. If that is too difficult for them, they should have digital cable. People avoiding provisions of their contract is not a good enough reason not to have receivers call in.

    Without receivers phoning in from time to time to verify service and packages (I know RV'ers don't have that option), Directv is asking for people to steal service IMHO.
     
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