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DIRECTV to Introduce Additional TiVo Features

Discussion in 'DIRECTV SD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Earl Bonovich, Jul 31, 2007.

  1. Aug 6, 2007 #181 of 275
    bidger

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    This thread makes me want to up Chuck.

    Does it squash your belief that TiVo walks on water and its sh*t don't stink to hear that just like every other electronic device it can have issues out of the box? Drew's a long timer @ TCF so it's not unusual he'd be aware of something like that. I know it from the TiVo HD thread @ AVS Forum that there are issues with the Scientific-Atlanta Cable Cards. My take? It's only a big deal for those customers and if there were SA CC customers involved in the beta testing, I'd drop them from the beta list if I were TiVo.

    I can respect the people who put their money where their mouth is and followed TiVo because they felt it was that important to them. I never felt that way and I can't really say that TiVo is the best DVR platform out there. If I could pop a DIRECTV tuner card in my MCE 2005 PC, that would be the perfect DVR solution...for me, not for everyone else. But, if I did feel TiVo with more HD was a must have, I'd shell out for one of the two S3s rather than expect DIRECTV to provide it. If I found at some future date that there was a MPEG 4-capable TiVo, I could sell the S3 and recoup a good share of my investment. But Hell, if I really loved TiVo that much I'd probably keep it. Than again, some folks have initiative and drive and will go after what they want and some folks expect someone to bring it to them.
     
  2. Aug 6, 2007 #182 of 275
    Chuck584

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    I haven't owned an HD TiVo prior to the purchase of the new "TiVo HD". I'll accept your word that the HR20 improves on HD TiVo as you have experience with it and I do not. I've owned S1 TiVos and S2 standalone and D TiVo.

    I stumbled across DBSTalk looking for a way of turning off the "Blue Ring" and three failed calls to D* customer support in search of a way to shut it off. I had read the manual but didn't read each "key description" in the diagrams. That was in April.

    Then I began to experience Scheduler problems and remembered this forum after again running into no help at D* customer support. They did offer to swap out the box but it wasn't (and isn't) a hardware issue.

    That's when I stumbled across the DLB poll and realized Sales had just plain misrepresented the future of DLB.

    As someone who wrote his first computer program close to 35 years ago, it irks me to see the D* HR20 apologists who claim DVR programming is powerful magic on mystical hardware shrouded in holy mystery.

    It's not.

    Earl will correct me if I'm wrong - there are no D* propriatary chips excluding the access card. The visible chips are "off the shelf commodity" units used by other companies too. The Broadcom chip is used in at least one TiVo.

    Which means the problems are all software issues. And if software is more "art" than "science", D* ought to pony up and hire some masters. Finger-painting just won't do on a company's flagship product unless the product is designed and markerted to children. :)
     
  3. Aug 6, 2007 #183 of 275
    Chuck584

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    Now now, play nice.


    That would be my ideal DVR with the exception of attaching a dual tuner DIRECTV box to the 1394 port on my iMac.

    I bought one of the new TiVo HDs. I am running it on Comcast against the HR20 on D*. I'm expecting delivery of another HD Comcast DVR option this morning. Shortly I hope to also evaluate the TiVo HD on FIOS as well.

    At some point I'll make the decision on which DVR / service provider best serves my needs. The decision will be based solely on the performance of the DVR and not a love or hatred of the content provider.
     
  4. Aug 6, 2007 #184 of 275
    bidger

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    I think that's for the best since, as has been stated, the likelihood of you being satisfied with the HR20 isn't very high. I commend you for taking action and wish you luck.
     
  5. Aug 8, 2007 #185 of 275
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    I have to say, Chuck, your posts crack me up! Thanks for the entertainment. :) BTW, I'm with you on the whole TiVo-based receiver. Just repeatedly rock solid for nearly all users -- HD20 sure seems to be the opposite.

    I'm SERIOUSLY itching to upgrade to HD, but lack of dual live buffers and the massive reports of flakiness with the HR20 are holding me back. I'd certainly be willing to pay significant $ for HR10 equivalent that can decode MPEG-4...

    It appears very obvious to me that the vast majority of HR20 users (that have anything to compare to) generally have a dislike (or even hatred) for the receiver -- sans a few posts. Anyone have any concrete specifics to share on why/how they they like the HR20 compared to DirecTiVos? (Sans the obvious issue about upcoming HD conent) Any of you HR20 users that subscribe to sports packages and watch multiple games, simultaneously?

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  6. Aug 8, 2007 #186 of 275
    Earl Bonovich

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    SilverShadow -... FYI it HR20 and HR10 (not HD) The "H" in the model number denotes the High-Def....

    To your last question (what concrete specificts to share)
    Since I have owned at least 1 of every series of DTiVo....

    • Single Channel Overlap recording, the ability to overlap back to back recordings and not have to use the second tuner.
    • Single button Record / Double Button Series LInk (R or R-R)
    • Quick Delete (and now quick Delete of a folder) DASH-DASH
    • Significantly improved speed in reordering prioritizer entries
    • Quick Menu, instead of everything being a full menu
    • 1 Line guide, to quickly see what is on next... when watching live (also makes it real easy to setup a following show to record, when combined with 1 button record
    • Caller-ID on screen
    • Space Indicator
    • Picture In "screens"; The picture in the top right corner of the screen when accessing most of the menu's of the system.
    • SWM/Single Cable Support (that is more along of the technology as with the MPEG-4)
    • Ability to output multiple video connections. I can record to a DVD-Record in 480-I; while still watching live TV in HD
    • It is new, but I am using it a lot now... Group playback of an entire folder.
    • The interactive content... Active (for one) Weather, is a quick look... and some of ther other options in there are okay
    • Quick delete from ToDo list; Very handy when I am looking at shows that I have told to record duplicates of (like Avatar) and I want to get rid of them
    • The networking and Media Play features... and the future plans for that network connection
    • Different sort options in the MyPlaylist (TiVo has some, but not all of them)
    • Guide... Jump to Date/Time (someone has told me it is there in TiVo, but in 6+ years of using DTiVos... I never knew it was there, or used it... not sur e if it is the same or not)
    • On occasion, I have found the Guide Category search to be handy when looking for something to record
    • The 90 minute buffer is very handy, as it will usually cover an entire show.
    • The eSATA support is very nice, as I can tear down my TiVo upgrade PC... as you can just add the external drive to have larger capacity, rather then pay for a pre-configured drive, or go through the steps to do it... aka... I can send an email link to my friends on what to buy, instead of scheduling a day/time for them to come over for me to do the hardware upgrade
    • Works with my VoIP connection, So i regained the ability to purchase PPV via remote.... and got rid of the annoying "haven't called" message
    • The system not nagging me... asking permisson to record on the 2nd/background tuner

    Those are off the top of my head, I am sure I am missing something...

    As for watching two sporting events at the same time...
    Never something I really do.... I watch my "primary" game (the Bears)... and the others... I may flip to during a commercial or something.... just to see what is going on.... but I have always recorded the game I want to watch...
    Just to account for anything that may occur.

    With sports tickers constantly going over the screen, it is fairly easy to keep upto date with what is going on in other games..... If I have a MUST watch two at once... I pull out the other TV, or have it going on a gamecast on the PC in the living room...
     
  7. Aug 8, 2007 #187 of 275
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    Earl, you can continue to list the fancy smancy features of the HR20...and that list is impressive. But one of my units missed the first 5 minutes of the news last night...not impressive. It recorded 25 minutes of that showing. No error in history, no other show recording, no one watching live tv. It was in standby. So regardless of the ability of the HR20 to properly wipe ones butt, if it can't reliably record a show it doesn't meet the basic definition of a DVR...IMO.
     
  8. Aug 8, 2007 #188 of 275
    Earl Bonovich

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    Just about everything I listed above... is the same for everyone... (VoIP is one that may not apply to everyone)

    Your 5 minutes, is an issue that you are having with one of your boxes... and is not consistant accross the entire platform. As for why your's did that... no clue...
    And yes... needs to be something fixed, or at least identified to why it is occuring.

    On the flip side... I didn't list in that list, that it caught ever episode of 24... something that my HR10-250 never was able to do in the time I was using it... each time in each of the seasons, I would have at least one case that the HR10-250 locked up... and since I was never home on Monday's... didn't know till I sat to watch down.

    Didn't happen often, but it did.... Dose that mean the HR10-250 doesn't meet the basic definition of the DVR?


    As for the HR20... I can only speek for the system I have... and the one I have had for over a year now... I haven't had any recording start late, for unexplainable reasons... I haven't had that issue, and I have lost track of the number of hours I have recorded, and watched on the same HR20 that I did the review on 1 year ago... next week.
     
  9. Aug 8, 2007 #189 of 275
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    I for one am a HR20 fan. I replaced my HR10 with a second HR20. One big feature that HR20 has over the HR10 is the ability to change scheduling on short notice. I've seen same day changes for programming for cancelled shows, or impromptu presidential broadcasts.
     
  10. Aug 8, 2007 #190 of 275
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    * Multiple Delete at once (in the Playlist hit menu and then mark and delete, pick and choose what to delete all at once)
     
  11. Aug 8, 2007 #191 of 275
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    I know how to do that in Tivo and would love to know how in the HR20 !

    I love Tivo, but I have to admit that the HR20 - with the exception of the DLB - is far better than HD-Tivo was a year into production...the speed, the esata, the multiple outputs, the native support (remember all the cries about HD-Tivo not having it?!)...makes the HR20 a really good unit...

    ...and it's getting regular updates and improvements are happening quickly...

    and if you have problems, send it back and have them send you a new one!
     
  12. Aug 8, 2007 #192 of 275
    Earl Bonovich

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    You tell me how to do it on the TiVo... I'll tell you how on the DVR+

    Okay... me first.

    When in the GUIDE: Hit Menu
    Then you have Date/Time ... pick the date, then the time.
     
  13. Aug 8, 2007 #193 of 275
    philslc

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    Bless You Earl.
     
  14. Aug 8, 2007 #194 of 275
    Drew2k

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    To jump to date in TiVo, hit INFO in the guide and scoll down to the date field. Then arrow left or right as needed to change dates. Arrow down one more field to time to change times.

    Almost equivalent in steps to how the HR20 handles it, but I like selecting the dates better in the HR20 because the guide is still visible behind the menu.
     
  15. Aug 8, 2007 #195 of 275
    bonscott87

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    And to note that you'll find all kinds of hidden gems by hitting menu in certain areas like search and the guide. :D

    * In the guide, left over the channel number and hit Info. It will load the entire 2 weeks guide data up for that channel. With one touch record you can setup a dozen movies on HBO to record in about a minute. Waaaaayyyyy faster then a Tivo.
     
  16. Aug 8, 2007 #196 of 275
    anubys

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    he didn't ask you Mr. Buttinski! ;)

    interesting, I hit Enter in guide, not INFO...but that's basically how I do it...
     
  17. Aug 8, 2007 #197 of 275
    anubys

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    now this is fantastic...if I can do that in the HR20, I might vote for it over the Tivo even without the DLB :up:
     
  18. Aug 8, 2007 #198 of 275
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    :D

    You know what's funny? I have pressed INFO since I had my first HR10 in 2003, and never noticed it says, "Press ENTER for Guide Options". And INFO has worked the entire time!
     
  19. Aug 9, 2007 #199 of 275
    Chuck584

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    While I have issues with the HR20, were I in your shoes, I'd go ahead and get one to enjoy HD while we wait for something better. These days the HR20 can be had for shipping by threatening to jump ship to another carrier.

    When I installed the larger hard drive, a very simple exercise in the HR20-100, the first thing I noticed was the SATA cable wasn't fully seated on the stock drive. While I doubt that was the cause of the mass deletion, it could be.

    With the new drive, a Hitachi terabyte model, everything seems fine.

    Again, don't let the problems with the HR20 dissaude you from getting HD. Just keep a D* TiVo or two hooked up and recording in parallel. That way you only risk missing an HD program.

    To be honest, I was quite happy with the HR20 while thinking DLB was in the pipeline for very near term delivery. It's the aspect of football season with SLB which honked me off. Now with D* and TiVo playing nice, hope is alive for something wondeful in the HD world.
     
  20. Aug 9, 2007 #200 of 275
    SilverShadow

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    See, that is my primary concern also. NFL Sunday Ticket with no DLB... :nono2: Also would be frustrating when there is breaking news. I can honestly say I use DLB every day. Anyone have any insight as to why this feature, so important to so many sports package subscribers, is still missing so long after release of the product?
     

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