This thread makes me want to up Chuck. Does it squash your belief that TiVo walks on water and its sh*t don't stink to hear that just like every other electronic device it can have issues out of the box? Drew's a long timer @ TCF so it's not unusual he'd be aware of something like that. I know it from the TiVo HD thread @ AVS Forum that there are issues with the Scientific-Atlanta Cable Cards. My take? It's only a big deal for those customers and if there were SA CC customers involved in the beta testing, I'd drop them from the beta list if I were TiVo. I can respect the people who put their money where their mouth is and followed TiVo because they felt it was that important to them. I never felt that way and I can't really say that TiVo is the best DVR platform out there. If I could pop a DIRECTV tuner card in my MCE 2005 PC, that would be the perfect DVR solution...for me, not for everyone else. But, if I did feel TiVo with more HD was a must have, I'd shell out for one of the two S3s rather than expect DIRECTV to provide it. If I found at some future date that there was a MPEG 4-capable TiVo, I could sell the S3 and recoup a good share of my investment. But Hell, if I really loved TiVo that much I'd probably keep it. Than again, some folks have initiative and drive and will go after what they want and some folks expect someone to bring it to them.