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DirecTV/Viacom Dispute?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by danpeters, Jul 9, 2012.

  1. Jul 11, 2012 #641 of 3058
    Alan Gordon

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    That's fair...

    I believe there are plenty of Viacom plants on Facebook/Twitter, and possibly even a couple on here, but no, I never suggested you were, I just found it interesting that you're so quick to believe one side of the story over another's.

    While I understand your point regarding DirecTV, and mostly agree, I do not believe Viacom to be honest in the least, and have found them to be more morally wrong in this situation.

    If I own a business, and I'm selling a product, then no, I would expect you to pay for full price. IF this is a business in which a lot of negotiation is done, then I'd consider your offer, and decide if it's fair or not.

    ~Alan
     
  2. Jul 11, 2012 #642 of 3058
    RunnerFL

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    1. Why more than 24 hours? They just replay the same kids shows all day. You could have been recording all day today. You can also probably find the shows on Netflix.

    2. And? I grew up in South Florida with high heat, high humidity, fire ants, palmetto bugs that can carry a small car, poisonous snakes and alligators, just to name a few.

    3. I made a comment about people on Viacom's page, no insult. Those people are clearly using their kids as scapegoats and you can tell from their posts. Not once did I say anything about you at all. I think you just need to take a deep breath, maybe even call it a night and get some sleep.

    I just can't feel sorry for someone who lashes out at me like you did. You're on your own.
     
  3. Jul 11, 2012 #643 of 3058
    cypherx

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    So the channels went away. I had to change from my favorites list to "all channels" and all the Viacom channels now say "mix channel" and there are -1 channels alongside of them playing a looping video of Mike White.

    I also notice a bunch of channels in the 8000's and though they all take you to a DirecTV slate, the guide data looks like Viacom content.
     
  4. Jul 11, 2012 #644 of 3058
    tulanejosh

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    Alan - i've read your comments from afar for a long time. I think you are nice guy, so Im going to take this as helpful input.

    He's not reliant on TV. He plays outside a ton. But it's really really hot here. Like 109 hot. He can't play outside all day. It's not safe. And if you had small kids, you'd know that sometimes mom, dad, grandma whoever - need a mental health break, need a chance to clean up the spilled milk, make lunch, whatever, and access to said programming is extremely helpful in those instances.

    If you don't have kids or are cranky old coot living in snowbird heaven, it's really tough to put yourself in the position of a parent of young children. It's far easier to tell people what they should do - then it is to actually live it.
     
  5. Jul 11, 2012 #645 of 3058
    Sixto

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    Many of these comments by Viacom really smell of some sleezy behavior.

    1. They claim 26 channels when it's clear that they are counting some channels twice (SD & HD): Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, MTV, BET, VH1, CMT, Logo, Spike, TV Land, MTV2, VH1 Classic, Palladia, Nick Jr., NickToons, TeenNick, Nickelodeon West, Tr3s, Centric, MTV India, Nickelodeon HD, Comedy Central HD, MTV HD, BET HD, VH1 HD, CMT HD and Spike HD.

    2. Now they're bashing DirecTV for taking down the channels early. "At approximately 11:50 p.m ... DirecTV dropped the channels without giving Viacom advanced warning". Pleez.

    3. They claim that "DirecTV dropped 26 Viacom channels". Didn't Viacom order DirecTV to take down the channels via a legal letter.

    4. As described above, 2 pennies per day per subscriber is $1B over 7 years. They make it sound like it's a rounding error.

    I'm sure that there's two sides to every story, but as I read the Viacom story, it just really smells.
     
  6. Jul 11, 2012 #646 of 3058
    adam1115

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    Wow, this sucks. :(
     
  7. Jul 11, 2012 #647 of 3058
    ffoooo54

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    Young pup, I would not laugh if I was you. That is the way cable was - we paid for it and there was no ads.
     
  8. Jul 11, 2012 #648 of 3058
    cjrleimer

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    This probably echos the VS Direct dispute from a few years ago. Now I think we may have a nice long dispute.
     
  9. Jul 11, 2012 #649 of 3058
    ffoooo54

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    Since people pay for the east and west feeds + pay seperate for HD feeds they are seperate channels actually.
     
  10. Jul 11, 2012 #650 of 3058
    Alan Gordon

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    It was neither a helpful comment or a criticism, but thank you for knowing that no insult was meant... :)

    I live in South Georgia, so I completely understand about the heat (notice I didn't say anything about being outside?).

    I completely understand the rest...

    I don't have kids, but I do try to spend as much time as I can with my cousins' sons... one is six, the other is three!

    My point was that while a kid will obviously be disappointed by the lack of said programming, reliance on specific programs is a recipe for disaster given the current pay-tv atmosphere... heck, what if it was cancelled?!

    There's other children's programming on and other avenues. Something will probably work...

    ~Alan
     
  11. Jul 11, 2012 #651 of 3058
    cypherx

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    Sixto, looking forward to your daily scan. Wonder how they did this with the guide data. Wonder why they made the mike white video on -1 channels. No ones going to see them unless they change off their favorite lists. In fact all the Viacom channels are totally gone from my favorite list. Seems like there would of been a better technical way to achieve this... Or fix favorites lists so they work right in these situations.
     
  12. Jul 11, 2012 #652 of 3058
    cjrleimer

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    Im curious to see how many angry customers are threatening to switch right now.
     
  13. Jul 11, 2012 #653 of 3058
    tulanejosh

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    I'm not asking for your or anyone else's sympathy. No sweat off my back. I have no respect for your snark.

    BTW - i grew up in south florida too, you aren't fulling me with those comments about how hostile the natural environment is. I grew up near the Falls in Miami, and I know darn well there aren't alligators and snakes roaming those streets and the temperature rarely leaves the low 90s.
     
  14. Jul 11, 2012 #654 of 3058
    Sixto

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    It's a legal technicality, the same as their other comments, they're playing word games with several details. Hard to trust them when there's several of these examples.

    And they have comments on their web-site that DirecTV shouldn't have to raise rates ... then where would the $146M per year come from ... and that's if it's two pennies total. If anything is per channel then it's higher.
     
  15. Jul 11, 2012 #655 of 3058
    cjrleimer

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    My sister who watch Hollywood Heights on Nick, was a little upset by this, but she will watch it online. Personally I am a little upset with viacom, and D* for the pissing war, but you know life goes on, and Ill stick with Direct for now. If this goes the way of VS, I may switch, but its a crapshoot. I think we will see a move from one of the sides if ( Direct loses customers), or if ratings on nick and the networks take a crap.
     
  16. Jul 11, 2012 #656 of 3058
    tulanejosh

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    I'm sure that it will - generally speaking he prefers Disney anyway, and grandma insists on Sprout whenever she watches him because she thinks its some how better for education purposes.
     
  17. Jul 11, 2012 #657 of 3058
    Davenlr

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    If you read between the lines in Mike Whites message, it sounds like they want Palladia in the basic package like our cable company has it, and wants ALL the MTV channels to be carried (again, like our cable company has it). Apparently Xfinity signed on for the arrangement DirecTv is trying to avoid.
     
  18. Jul 11, 2012 #658 of 3058
    john262

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    I hope that Directv sticks to it's guns and refuses to offer Viacom even one more penny. I also support Dish in it's dispute with AMC. Yes, some children might miss Nick but there are plenty of other children's' channels such as the Disney Channel. And besides, most kids watch too much TV anyway.
     
  19. Jul 11, 2012 #659 of 3058
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    Ira Lacher

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    Just a few 2c-worth comments before I call it a night.

    • It's useless to complain. This is the world of television as we know it. Someone earlier said perceptively that the only way to avoid it is to go antenna and streaming. And frankly, unless you stream directly from the source, there will be carriage issues with Netflix and Hulu as well.
    • The one annoyance I have with all of this is that we are bound to sign contracts with satcos, locking us in without any knowledge of the state of carriage agreements. Thus, we are caught short, with no way to switch providers without incurring a hefty penalty. If content providers and satellite services are going to get into these disputes with increasing regularity, we poor subscribers should have some recourse. This is not without precedent: As an example, you can switch your auto or home insurance without having to wait for your present policy to expire.
    • While this may be a long dispute, at least we can feel pretty assured that the disagreements are over business issues and not the result of a p***ing contest between two rich men with an overblown sense of self-importance. This will be settled. Whenever.
    • And when it is settled, surprise! DirecTV will pay more than they have been paying for the Viacom channels, Viacom will not get as much as they have been demanding, and our bills will go up. So find something else to watch, read a book, play with your dogs and kids, and quit fretting about this.
     

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