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DirecTV vs. Hopper Comparison

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by joshjr, Dec 11, 2012.

  1. ehilbert1

    ehilbert1 Godfather

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    Like lparsons21said.... The $199 is to own them. Don't take it so personal man. I'm not putting down Direct. I enjoyed it when I had it. Like I said it's only TV.
     
  2. patmurphey

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    My point exactly. You all don't get it, Hoppers are designed to multiply like rabbits. My 6 tuners (12 if recording PTAT channels 24/7 now) are better than 5.

    BTW, storage is great. The 2 Hoppers have a total of 2.5TB of user storage. My 4 EHDs add 8TB (I could use more by cycling others), and that extra storage is attached to my account, not an individual receiver.
     
  3. sigma1914

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    Bad example because Dish doesn't carry NY RSNs, which carry a majority of the games, so the likelihood of a Yankees or Mets fan devoted enough to DVR a game is slim to none.
     
  4. veryoldschool

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    Maybe we do "get it", but it's that there isn't a "one size fits all" here and a market for both.
     
  5. sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

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    What's the point of recording PTAT on 2 Hoppers? DirecTV receivers can multiply, too.
     
  6. dpeters11

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    I guess because you are only allowed one Genie. But, unlike Dish, we can have one Genie plus any other type of SWM compatible receiver. Unless I'm mistaken, that's not possible in a Hopper situation.
     
  7. Bill Broderick

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    Except, the Genie can coexist with multiple DVR's. If you look at the posts here from people considering a move to a Genie, you will see that most of these people already have 2 or 3 DVR's and plan on either keeping them all (and replacing a non-DVR receiver) or replacing only on of them with the Genie and not getting the clients.

    That's my exact situation. I currently have 3 DVR's and once the new HR-44 is available locally, I'll replace my oldest DVR with the Genie and have 9 tuners. As someone who records minimal network programming, I'll take my 9 tuners over 6 (plus PTAT).
     
  8. HoTat2

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    Wait, isn't a Joey the "client" paired to only one Hopper as its parent "server" the way a Genie server is to its RVU clients?

    Yet that same Joey can still access the UI on another Hopper its not paired to and do all the same live buffering, live trick play, set/edit recordings, etc. as though it was paired to that Hopper as well?
     
  9. harsh

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    This can be useful since you can't easily archive content for long term with DIRECTV DVRs.
     
  10. Curtis0620

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    What is the point on recording PTAT on both Hoppers? So 2 Hoppers only give you 9 tuners (6 on one with PTAT and 3 on the other).

    I have a HR34 and 2 HR24s for 9 tuners that I can record any channel I wish.
     
  11. Diana C

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    Is an OTA tuner useful at times? Sure. But for most people, they record content on the major broadcast networks or the major cable channels.

    As far as Yankees and Mets go, most people would watch them live (which, if thay have OTA, doesn't require any asatellite receivers) and if they are Mets or Yankees fans, they have DirecTV since Dish doesn't carry YES or SNY.

    On our busiest nights (Sunday and Monday) we have 4 tuners busy recording at the same time, but only one of them is ever a broadcast channel that is included in PTAT.

    It seems to me that PTAT is designed in direct opposition to the current trends in TV viewing. More and more people are leaving broadcast TV and watching USA, TNT, HBO, etc. during primetime. While I'm sure there are people that find it useful, in the long term it is going to be a less and less attractive feature to the average viewer.
     
  12. harsh

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    I think the idea of PTAT and more importantly, AutoHop, speaks more to what the company is willing to do for its customers. While DIRECTV surrenders on ideas before they've hatched, DISH seems to be willing to push the envelope to give subscribers cool features before their cool has turned to ash. DIRECTV seems to be largely unwilling to utilize their juggernaut status to effect change that benefits its customers as well as customers of other services.
     
  13. ehilbert1

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    I don't look at it like that. We do what is best for us. I'm not worried about what other people do. It does not bother me if some people like Direct over Dish and vice versa. I don't care if people record more cable channels then broadcast. Some people here take that stuff way to seriously.

    As for storage I say Dish has it over Direct. Yea you can have multiple DVR's on Direct but with Dish you can have multiple Hard drives. That's along with storage on your Hoppers. Plus I don't have to pay an extra fee for the Hard Drives. You have to pay extra for the DVR's on Direct your using for storage. You can't count out Sling either. I can watch anything I want wherever I want. I'm not stuck having to watch things in the house.

    My family uses two Hoppers and a Joey. It's the perfect system for us. Yes the Joey can watch programming from either Hopper. It makes it real convenient. Again it's what works best for you and your family.
     
  14. sigma1914

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    Then why isn't Dish raking in customers if they're doing so much good for customers? Dish and Charlie definitely aren't suffering and I've got nothing against them.
     
  15. Diana C

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    Ok......

    But that boosterism does not address my point. Every demographic study, and the Neilsen ratings, show that fewer and fewer people are watching primetime broadcast TV, and that trend is only accelerating. You can look it up.

    Given that, why develop a feature that is designed to provide value to an ever shrinking constituency? For PTAT to be useful you not only need to desire to record a OTA channel, you have to desire to record two or more of them simultaneously. Recording CBS at 8, FOX at 9 and ABC at 10 is NOT a use case for PTAT since you can do that with just one regular tuner. The only time a Hopper is able to record/view more than a Genie is when the viewer wishes to record or watch live two non-broadcast channels while simultaneously recording a program on each of ABC, CBS, FOX and NBC. I'm sorry, but I can see needing 2 OTA recordings in the same day and timeslot, but I don't think more than a handful of people really watch 4 programs that are all scheduled opposite each other.

    Once you go down to 3 simultaneous OTA programs, the Genie can do it as well as the Hopper. And of course, if you want to record/view live more than 3 non-OTA channels simultaneously, the Genie can do that but the Hopper can't.

    I've got nothing against Dish Network...if they carried the NY sports channels we might even consider giving them a try. While the Dish Network DVRs may be faster than DirecTV's (although I hear they tend to get VERY hot), and Dish Network as a content provider is a fine service (we used to be a Dish customer and never had any complaints about their service), it seems to me that Dish missed the target with the Hopper. I don't know why they limited it to 3 tuners, but it seems like they realized the mistake and came up with PTAT as a fix. I expect a Hopper 2 will come along eventually with 5 or 6 tuners.
     
  16. P Smith

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    it already came this year as Hopper with a Sling, but still have same number of tuners [3]
     
  17. Diana C

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    Some good points. Of course, you can have external hard drives on DirecTV DVRs as well - up to 2TB on the HR2x series and as big a drive as you can get on the Genie, and there is no cost (other than the drive itself) involved.

    Sling is a cool feature...we have two standalone Slingboxes ourselves. DirecTV does need to play catchup in this area. Of course, Dish bought a pre-existing solution. Unless DirecTV buys Vulcano they have to build it themselves, so it is taking longer.

    Of course, DirecTV has Nomad - a way to take your recordings with you to places there is no internet. I use Nomad to load episodes of various TV series onto my iPad, to watch on airplane trips (I travel a lot for work). I don't think Dish has a comparable solution.

    The one place where I agree Dish has a big advantage is the portability of external drives across DVRs. This is an issue that any DirecTV user who has had a DVR fail knows all too well.

    As I said earlier...I have nothing against Dish, and understand that some people choose it, while others choose DirecTV and others choose cable. I just don't get some of the arguments in defense of PTAT. It may be valuable in some cases, but I strongly believe that those cases are few and getting fewer.
     
  18. ehilbert1

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    I see your point but what about two Hoppers? I left Direct because they wanted to charge me $300 for a Genie and a new 2 year contract. We were out of contract and didn't want to leave. My wife and I thought it over and we gave Dish a try. We took the 2 Hopper option and it's fantastic. We could have paid $400 and owned both our Hoppers. That was only $100 more than what Direct wanted to charge me to lease a Genie.

    I prefer more cable shows but look at the majority of the ratings. No cable show has ever come close to what NCIS pulls in. Yea there are channels that are beating the networks but not by a huge margin. Well except for Walking Dead! That show is amazing!

    Oh by the way the Hopper with Sling will let you transfer your shows to to an iPad. It does it right over your network. Also with the Hopper you get the storage space inside the Hopper and storage with a external drive. I never understood why with Direct its either the internal or external?
     
  19. sigma1914

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    I'll use your idea, which I completely agree with, you did what's best for you. Many customers get free or discounted Genies.
     
  20. HoTat2

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    And I doubt you will ever see more than a three tuner Hopper given Dish's conventional 500 MHz block frequency stacking approach for single wire capability to the Hopper.

    The three tuners already require up to 3 GHz on the RG-6 cable run to each Hopper now.
     

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