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DirecTV will sell HR 44s to Solid Signal and Weaknees - but not me

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by FarNorth, May 29, 2013.

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  1. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Well at least I've moved you up from what's used in a $60 home router.

    Like everyone else here, I don't know the real numbers/costs.

    I have read a post saying the BOM for the HR2x was $200. I don't know a way to verify it, so :shrug:
    If that is/was close a Genie's might be close to $400.
     
  2. Greg4050

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    No its not even about wanting the discount. It's about being locked in for another two years because you decided to go out on your own and "buy" a new receiver. If I'm "paying" retail it should do nothing to the commitment I've already honored.
     
  3. veryoldschool

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    :scratch:

    You're "paying retail" for a leased receiver, so every time you activate a leased receiver, the commitment restarts.
    The only way not to is to buy a receiver "outright", since owned receivers don't restart a commitment.
     
  4. peds48

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    but that is the problem, you are not buying it. you are leasing it from a 3rd party
     
  5. MysteryMan

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    It clearly states on the WeaKnees website "Please note that DirecTV generally considers all new equipment activated after March 2006 to be leased equipment". On the Solid Signal website it clearly states in green print "DirecTV requires a 24 month (lease) commitment on all activated receivers click here for details regarding the DIRECTV LEASE AGREEMENT".
     
  6. Mike Greer

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    But... If I pay SS or Weaknees their 'full' lease price for a 44 because I want the speed what is to stop DirecTV from replacing it with a 34 if it fails down the road or even the next day? If DirecTV replaces a 3 month old HR44 with an HR34 am I just supposed to pay Weaknees and/or SS again?

    For the good chunk of the people I suspect DirecTV's goofy policy is ok. For anyone that wants to pay their way around poor engineering decisions made years ago it is a horrible policy.
     
  7. Jacob Braun

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    DirecTV is to stop DirecTV from replacing a 44 with a 34. An HR44 will always be replaced with a HR44, an H(R)24 will be replaced with a 24, a H25 always replaced with an H25 due to their specific hardware accessories (external power supply, different RF remote, etc).
     
  8. Mike Greer

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    Is that official policy now? If so - it's a good thing. Trouble is how do we know? I can call 20 times and get 11 different answers!
     
  9. Jacob Braun

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    For several (six or so) months.
     
  10. Jun 1, 2013 #130 of 263
    veryoldschool

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    Don't you mean you can call 11 times and get 20 different answers? :hair:
     
  11. Jun 1, 2013 #131 of 263
    joed32

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    How is a 24 different from a 21 as far as installation or replacement? They're interchangeable.
     
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    unixguru

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    Here is a concrete example. The Channel Master CM-7400 HD DVR (no longer available) sold for ~$400. It is the only product I can think of that is very similar and was entirely retail with no association to delivery service. Satellite tuners cost a bit more than OTA tuners. If a similar product was still available it would have a disk size comparable to current DirecTV DVRs and still cost about the same.

    So a retail product at $400 is going to cost less than $200 to build (probably far less). And that's at the relatively low volume those things had (far less volume than a DirecTV DVR).

    No way an HR44 costs more than $200 to build.

    Unlocked iPhones are super premium price. Little benefit of volume - any benefit goes to Apple in profits. No carrier pays anywhere close to that due to volume purchases. Just google iPhone 5 build cost and right away you will see reports of $167 to $238 to build depending on model. Take a mid-level at guess of $200 so $749 is 275% markup. That's the bill for extreme miniaturization and huge brand tax. Neither of which applies to DirecTV products.
     
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    veryoldschool

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    Those would need to be 1980 or 1990 dollars then.
     
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    Mike Greer

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    Is that documented somewhere so I can know that they won't swap a 44 for 34 if/when they attempt to?
     
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    Mike Greer

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    Ha! Once again I stand corrected!
     
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    Laxguy

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    Note that those models were not mentioned in the specifics.
     
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    unixguru

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    And the difference between an HR2x and an HR44 from a HARDWARE perspective? 3 more tuners. Bigger disk. A little more memory. A faster processor.

    Tuners ... a few bucks. Bigger disk ... a few bucks. More memory ... a few bucks. Faster processor ... few bucks. No more than $50 total.

    HR24 has an INTERNAL power supply. The HR44 has an external brick. Internal power supplies are more expensive and require UL listing, etc. Power is cheaper in HR44.

    HR24 is 2+ years old. That BOM price is probably from when it was new - price of components have DROPPED. Disk is falling to junk level instead of sweet spot. Memory is getting cheaper. Processor is cheaper.

    Newer processor in HR44 is faster yes but the die probably shrunk so costs didn't go up much. Look at any commodity processor - new processors come out at the same price as prior model.

    I stick to my view that HR44 doesn't cost more than the HR24 did when it was new. HR24 costs less now.

    "Retail price don't mean #it" Profit of new things is high, profit of old things is low. Cost... not much difference.

    Final proof... HR24 was free to new customers when it came out. So is Genie now and could be an HR44.
     
  18. Jun 1, 2013 #138 of 263
    studechip

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    http://www.cultofmac.com/190822/the-iphone-5-only-costs-apple-168-for-the-parts/
     
  19. Jun 1, 2013 #139 of 263
    Mike Bertelson

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    Actually if you read the articles the cost of the iPhone 5 parts are much less than Apples cost (see the last paragraph of this Link).

    Once you add in the cost of R&D, assembly, packaging/shipping, marketing, etc. the cost to Apple is likely twice that number.

    If we assume your cost for an HR34/44 of $300 and extrapolate that out one could argue the per unit cost could be in excess of $500.

    IIUC my Econ classes the cost for any item (not just electronics)the per unit cost of a widget is always much more than the simply summing the cost of its parts.

    Mike
     
  20. Jun 1, 2013 #140 of 263
    dpeters11

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    HR21 would require an external DECA in a Whole Home environment.
     
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