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DIRECTV's 160 channels beats DISH's 200 channels

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Doug Brott, Apr 20, 2010.

  1. Apr 20, 2010 #81 of 255
    tonyd79

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    Still I ask. Why categorize? And why along the lines of RSNs? Why not on documentary channels or shopping channels or news channels?

    My point is that RSNs are legitimate channels.

    I personally like DirecTVs counting of full time HD channels, no matter what the content. I am not thrilled with PPV being counted but if they are 24/7 HD, they are 24/7 HD.

    DirecTV could inflate their number by counting every single part time channel like Dish does or every VOD program like Comcast.

    BTW, I have 203 channels in my HD favorites and that does not count D12 content, obviously, but also does not include PPV channels or VOD content. While not a perfect counting system, DirecTV is being a bit modest, actually.
     
  2. Apr 20, 2010 #82 of 255
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    This is meant as a resource. I wanted to lay out an easy to read comparison of what you gain and lose between D* and E*. Channel Count Only.

    DirecTV has that Dish does not:
    1. Fuel HD
    2. MLB Network HD
    3. Showtime Extreme HD
    4. the 101 HD
    5. Smithsonian HD
    6. YES HD, NESN, FSN’S, CSN’S, Altitude, and other 24/7 RSN’s.
    7. Most games are available nationally in HD when you subscribe to the required sports package. (No one else can claim this)

    Dish has that DirecTV does not:
    1. Encore HD
    2. 5Star Max HD
    3. Action Max HD
    4. HBO 2 HD
    5. HBO Comedy HD
    6. HBO Zone HD
    7. HBO Family HD
    8. HBO Latino HD
    9. HBO Signature HD
    10. World Fishing Network
    11. Centric HD
    12. Fashion TV
    13. Hallmark Movie HD
    14. Lifetime
    15. LMN
    16. Logo HD
    17. Mav-TV HD
    18. Travel Channel HD
    19. WGN
    20. MSNBC HD
    21. E! Entertainment HD
    22. Sportsman HD
    23. Hallmark HD
    24. TruTV HD
    25. Fox Soccer Channel HD
    26. Retro HD
    27. Indie HD
    28. BBC America HD
    29. EPIX HD
    30. G4 HD
    31. Headline News HD
    32. History International HD
    33. Nat Geo Wild HD
    34. ShortsHD
    35. Style HD
    36. Turner Classic Movies HD

    D* recently stated they will have the capacity for over 200 HD channels after D12 in 1st half 2010, I have listed the most likely additions.

    The 70+ most likely added channels.

    1. ESPNU HD* *(MAY 2010)
    2. Hallmark Movie Channel HD* (MAY 2010)
    3. MSNBC HD* *(May 2010)
    4. Outdoor Channel HD*
    5. WGN America HD* (MAY 2010)
    6. MoreMax HD*
    7. HBO2 HD* *(MAY 2010)
    8. HBO2 West HD* *In Test Stream
    9. HBO Family*
    10. HBO Family West*
    11. HBO Latino HD*
    12. HBO Signature HD*
    13. Fear Net HD*
    14. BBC America HD*
    15. Africa HD*
    16. Fox Soccer HD *
    17. 24/7 RSN CSN –CA HD* (MAY 2010)
    18. 24/7 RSN CSN –BA HD* (MAY 2010)
    19. 24/7 RSN FSN Cincy HD* *In Test Stream
    20. 24/7 RSN FSN FL HD* * (MAY 2010)
    21. 24/7 RSN FSN Ohio HD* *In Test Stream
    22. ESPN 3D* (June 11 2010) part time?
    23. N3D* (June 11 2010)
    24. EWTN HD*
    25. Travel Channel HD (MAY 2010)
    26. Centric HD
    27. CSPAN HD
    28. CSPAN 2 HD
    29. Fox Movie Channel HD
    30. Nat Geo Wild HD
    31. WE tv HD
    32. Sundance HD
    33. Encore HD (MAY 2010)
    34. Encore West HD
    35. TCM HD
    36. Tru HD
    37. Headline News HD
    38. E! Entertainment Television HD
    39. Starz in Black HD (MAY 2010)
    40. Style Network HD
    41. Logo HD
    42. G4 HD
    43. MoreMax HD west
    44. QVC HD
    45. RFD HD
    46. TV One HD
    47. HBO Comedy HD
    48. HBO Comedy West HD
    49. 5StarMax HD
    50. ActionMax HD
    51. @Max HD
    52. OuterMax HD
    53. ID HD
    54. Lifetime HD (MAY 2010)
    55. Lifetime Movie Network HD
    56. AMC HD* In Test Stream
    57. IFC HD* In Test Stream
    58. The Movie Channel West HD
    59. HBO Zone HD
    60. HBO Zone West HD
    61. ThrillerMax HD
    62. WMax HD
    63. OWN HD (2011)
    64. Flix HD
    65. History I HD
    66. GolTV HD * (MAY 2010)
    67. TMC Xtra HD* (May 2010)
    68. 3D PPV* In Test Stream
    69. Fox Soccer Plus HD
    70. Telefutura HD West (MAY 2010)
    71. Univision HD East (MAY 2010)
    72. Starz Cinema HD (May 2010)
    73. Showtime Women HD (May 2010)
    74. Showtime Next HD (May 2010)
    75. Showtime Beyond HD (May 2010)
    76. HBO Zone HD (May 2010)
    77. Hallmark HD (MAY 2010)

    * Announced either Officially or Unofficially

    These are announced or highly speculated.

    If D* adds 40-70 HD channels in the next 4-12 weeks based on most likely candidates and channels already announced I believe that it is safe to say D* could add many of these channels by July 2010.


    Other HD channels not likely to be added:

    1. Shorts HD
    2. Epix HD
    3. Wealth TV
    4. CSPAN 3 HD
    5. FOX College Sports HD full time
    6. Sportsman HD
    7. Fuse HD
    8. Mav-TV HD
    9. HSN HD
    10. World Fishing Network HD
    11. .TV HD channels
    12. RetroPlex HD
    13. IndiePlex HD
    14. Fashion TV HD
    15. MTV 2* Shown on D* scroll online
    16. Chiller* Shown on D* scroll online
    17. Sleuth HD
    18. NASA HD
    19. ION HD
     
  3. Apr 20, 2010 #83 of 255
    Athlon646464

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    In my world, RSN's are like locals to answer your question. (For counting purposes you gotta put them somewhere, and IMHO they are not like Nationals.)

    How many Nationals does DISH/D* have? (Self explanatory, I hope.)

    How many locals/RSN's does DISH/D* have? (The winner will show their superiority by market count.)

    Everything else (The winner will show technological superiority.)

    You're cracking me up with the nit-picking of my categories. All I'm saying is some sort of standard would be nice.

    BTW - This will never happen. :eek2:
     
  4. Apr 20, 2010 #84 of 255
    JeffBowser

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    I'd like to say, this only truly matters if your TV provider of choice somehow augments your sense of self-worth. Otherwise, who give a flying f..., um.... trapeze artist, shall we say, about channel counts and nit-picking over what to count and how.
     
  5. Apr 20, 2010 #85 of 255
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    I'm not talking about what is important and what is not. I was just saying it would be a way to objectively compare number of channels. And by national HD, I am referring to standard "cable" channels that everyone who subscribes would have access to (if you subscribed to everything). I think that RSN's and PPV channels should be put in their own category for this comparison.

    - Merg
     
  6. Apr 20, 2010 #86 of 255
    The Merg

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    That's exactly what I was getting at when I first asked the question.

    - Merg
     
  7. Apr 20, 2010 #87 of 255
    Doug Brott

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    I'm of the mindset that full time 24/7 (national) HD channels should count no matter what .. The "what" is only relevant to personal preference. If there was a shared channel .. Say half Versus, half Golf then it should count as 1 full time HD channel.

    If it's available to you (even at a cost, reasonable or not) and 24/7, it should count - BUT - that is my opinion.
     
  8. Apr 20, 2010 #88 of 255
    Athlon646464

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    Not at all for me. My choice to go w/D* was based on which channels they provided of the ones I watch, as well as their quality and reliability.

    This thread is about how 'counts' by marketeers can be misleading. All I did was offer a possible solution - standards.

    I'm sure there are many more ideas possible.

    I say again - we'll never see it happen - I just thought it would be fun to speculate on how it could/would look.

    :eek:
     
  9. Apr 20, 2010 #89 of 255
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    The PPV/Cinema channels I'm not a fan of counting, however, the 24x7 RSNs are very valid in the counts. The Sports Pack is a great package that gets you access to every RSN except the blacked out events. Those require the season pass package for the league. There is great programming on these channels that is not available on other RSNs, sometimes time shifted for the region. If you are a sports fan, then these channels count a lot.

    They also allow DirecTV to have the best season pass sports package. If the RSN is producing it in HD, its almost certainly available in HD in the Season Pass.
     
  10. Apr 20, 2010 #90 of 255
    JeffBowser

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    Aye - I chose them on reliability, in an area where Comcast couldn't keep a reliable signal to save their lives. When I signed on, I had not a clue what channels they provided. All I knew was I was no longer tied to Comcast's unreliable wire plant, and analog fuzziness. Anything after that was gravy, and I've been there ever since.

     
  11. Apr 20, 2010 #91 of 255
    Athlon646464

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    It's funny you say that, I couldn't get away from Charter fast enough - and loved it when they called to save me and I could say NO.

    My only choices when I canceled them was Dish or D*, and well, you know the rest of the story.... :hurah:
     
  12. Apr 20, 2010 #92 of 255
    TBlazer07

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    USENET and torrents easily fixes that.
     
  13. Apr 20, 2010 #93 of 255
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    Then it's your fault they're adding more PPV channels. :lol: They aren't selling enough movies so they're adding more opportunities for us to order them. I never watch then either. :D
     
  14. Apr 20, 2010 #94 of 255
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    Another thing to consider about the PPV channels is they aren't necessarily permanent. If the new PPV service where they beam the movies to your DVR works well they may start to get rid of some of the linear PPV channels to make room for new national channels.
     
  15. Apr 20, 2010 #95 of 255
    GoPokes43

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    If a person subscribes to the top tier package at DirecTV, that person receives all of the RSNs. So, why are you excluding them from the national count?

    Is it because you don't like sports? I can see no reason for your segregation other than personal preference. A displaced Red Sox fan will find NESN HD vastly more important than 8 HBO channels. And, a college football fan will find a dozen FSN channels much more important than Lifetime, Hallmark, BBC, etc. For example, the FSN channels are particularly important when perhaps you're in a city like Dallas when FSSWHD is showing a Mavs game but you want to see a particular college basketball or football game that shows up on another FSN channel.
     
  16. Apr 20, 2010 #96 of 255
    bonscott87

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    The various RSN's show a lot of sports that aren't blacked out. Pro sports? No. But tons of college and high school sports, all different. As well as the local sports shows and so on. The RSN's should very much be counted as a national channel available to all who subscribe. Just because you don't like sports doesn't mean you can't count it.
     
  17. Apr 20, 2010 #97 of 255
    bonscott87

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    But really, who cares. Count the channels *you* want and nothing more. The rest don't exist if you don't watch em. So if Dish has 40 HD channels you want and DirecTV has 35 then Dish has more HD channels in your mind. Go with that.
     
  18. Apr 20, 2010 #98 of 255
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    "And by national HD, I am referring to standard "cable" channels that everyone who subscribes would have access to (if you subscribed to everything)."

    That would include the RSNs as they are part of the top tier package.

    I do not pay for the RSNs individually. They are no different than HBO or Showtime. You pay for them either as a group package or get them when you subscribe to "everything."

    Funny, by your definition, the HD Pack is NOT a national cable package as you have to order them a la carte.
     
  19. Apr 20, 2010 #99 of 255
    tonyd79

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    So, your world is just denial of the real world where RSNs are available nationally available. I cannot discuss an issue with someone who just redefines reality. :p
     
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    Holy crap dude, that was not at all the meaning of my post - it was about standards for counting. I don't care at all how you categorize the channels. You continue to pick every word - you gotta calm down.

    I guess I took R in RSN too literally, on second thought maybe you are because they reach everywhere....
     

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