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DIRECTV's 160 channels beats DISH's 200 channels

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Doug Brott, Apr 20, 2010.

  1. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    I assume Titanium is no longer available?

    I don't know about DirecTV but DISH allows monthly subscriptions to their regular porn channels. (None are in HD so it doesn't matter here.)
     
  2. Bigg

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    That logic is how Comcast has "more HD" and "1000 HD choices" in my area, but they only have a TOTAL of ~30 channels including like 8 locals plus PBS from NYC, with a total HD line up that looks like DirecTV when they were using Ku band only with PIII's.

    DirecTV doesn't have BBCA, and I don't think History International or Investigation Discovery.

    I think U-verse might actually have the most HD channels, but obviously has limited availability and their compression is pretty bad.

    One isn't better than the other, but Dish is cheaper, and DirecTV has more features.

    EDIT: Comcast and locals
     
  3. jclewter79

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    channel 497 is HustlerHD. I assume that they show HD stuff although I have never watched it so I do not know. I do notice that the schedule is different than on the SD Hustler channel so I guess that it may be PPV only and that you cannot subscribe monthly to the Hustler HD channel.
     
  4. tonyd79

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    I think DirecTV only has monthly subscription to Playboy?

    Anyway, Titanium was invented to have a value for legal moves against pirates and even when it was started was not available to all. They limited the number of customers.

    I have no idea if it still exists. There were reports here that they did sell a few...
     
  5. russ9

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    :lol: sounds Dyshy to me...
     
  6. GrumpyBear

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    I have always linked to that site as well. They need to update it though, as
    National Geo Wild, HLN, Style, Turner Classic Movies, G4 and EPIX are now HD on Dish.
    Overall that is one of the better overall and balanced charts out there.

    I hate the numbers game. NUMBERS are worthless as they all lie about, all have some sort of PPV, and VOD count. Dish deserves to get some heat over this, if for no other reason, so people will no look at all Pay for TV carriers, and discount there PPV's, VOD, or Cinema channels. None of those should be involved in ANY Carriers numbers.

    The overall number of 200HD Channels, and using the "CAPACITY" word allows, Dish to poke fun at anther company that a just a year ago, had a National TV Ad compagin, claiming that they would SOON have the "Capacity" to carry 200 channels. We all knew than that number was a crock as nobody could get there without a HUGE PPV/VOD/Cinema number.
     
  7. joenhre

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    The Military Channel is owned by Discovery Networks and used to be called the Discovery Wings channel. Yes other channels from the old discovery suite have gone HD (Discovery Channel, Science Channel, Animal Planet and the newer Discovery HD Theater) the only two that don't have HD versions are The Military Channel and the Discovery Health Channel. Discovery Health will go away in January 2011 and is supposed to become OWN (Oprah Winfrey Network).TLC is also owned by discovery networks and of course it also has an HD version.

    Count me in as one of those who would like to see an HD version of the Military Channel, hopefully Discovery introduces one soon.
     
  8. JoeTheDragon

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    But you still have to count PPV channels that are used for part time RSN over flows as well.
     
  9. bamaweather

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    Technically, if they are part time sports channels, that means they aren't showing movies part of the time. Thus, they aren't 24/7.

    I don't believe they should count PPV channels, but I do believe 24/7 RSNs should be counted. Even moreso now that other providers like Dish and UVerse provide several of them in SD around the country.
     
  10. Piratefan98

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    Agreed. Same with the RSN's in non-gametime hours. I mean, you can sometimes see the same episode of Poker Stars playing on a dozen RSN's at a time. :lol: Counting each one of these channels as national HD's is silly.

    Don't get me wrong ... I'm glad DirecTV is rolling out more and more of them, .... but the count is kind of misleading.

    Jeff
     
  11. James Long

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    I'm working on updating my counts ... so far I have 102 regular HD channels on DISH (before PPV, VOD, RSN, alternate channels, network TV but including premiums) and 70 on DirecTV eliminating the same categories. Adding in DirecTV's 24 RSNs and the 19 regular and 3 RSN channels they have announced they will have 116. I don't believe the 27 RSNs (May prediction) are really worth 27 channels to most people but with 24/7 pass through they do serve the in market viewers better than "game" RSNs.

    Maybe there should be some factoring on the math? Count lower package channels (such as those in AT120) as 100% channels and reduce the value of channels not available to all viewers (either through package placement, blackout or legal restrictions). The more restricted the channel's distribution by cost or other reasons the less that it is worth. After all, we are discussing how "160" channels can be worth more than "200" channels.

    Overall, including all the DISH HD channels in the guide (and trying not to double count) I find 155 before adding local network TV. This includes alt channels and the game only RSNs but not the VOD HD. There would be 116 for regular channels + PPV.

    The biggest challenge to a count is figuring out what isn't there. I can list the 116 channels that are always available on DISH Network - the rest share a few channels of bandwidth. But how many of DirecTV's PPV channels go away when the space is needed for sports? Is a PPV always dropped for a "game only" sports feed or are there a couple of channels used for "game only" feeds that sit empty when there is no game?

    The other thing I am looking at is probably more important overall than "the count" ... and that is "what is missing". DirecTV's promise of 30 channels removes a lot of channels from their "missing" list and adds a couple to the DISH missing list ... but both lists seem pretty short. Regardless of how many channels they have there doesn't seem to be a lot missing that the other has.
     
  12. Sixto

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    The DirecTV 132 are on 24x7.

    It's 71 + 8 + 24 + 29. All 24x7. Details here.

    The 71 are the networks.
    The 8 are the DNS networks East and West.
    The 24 are full-time RSN's.
    The 29 are PPV (Cinema) which are always "live", except when they're switched for a part-time need, then switched right back when the part-time is no longer needed, so they're always 24x7.

    How would Dish compare? The DirecTV 132 is full-time bandwidth, always transmitting.

    Just asking, since I have no info on Dish.

    The only part of the DirecTV list that I've always questioned is the 8 for DNS, but I guess it's still full-time bandwidth whether you can actually receive all 8 or not. The rest all seem to be counted fairly.

    And the 132 is really 131 these days with 136/137 being used for MLB Mix HD.
     
  13. mystic7

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    Just out of curiosity, what programs did you watch last night?
     
  14. James Long

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    I'll have to look at the list in detail ... thanks for the link.

    My DirecTV count is based on the titles listed on their website claiming 160 channels in May. Apparently they missed a current channel as I only see 70 networks ... and their page says 27 PPV.

    It is a good question and basically the same one I asked about DirecTV.

    I'm seeing 116 "always available" channels ... DISH has a few more that they use for game only RSNs and alt channels and for feeding the VOD HD content that is stored on receivers. Plus DISH has a few channels testing that will be released in May (they just have not been public about it). The two systems are less than 10 channels apart (after May launches).
     
  15. Hoosier205

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    Too much on to choose from. I switched between the NFL Draft, NHL hockey, local and national news, a DVR'd episode of The Pacific, and I even took a break to watch Crazy Heart on blu-ray. Tonight we have more hockey and Avatar on blu-ray.
     
  16. RobertE

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    The only channel count that matters in the end are who has the channels I (you) want and are they in HD. Anything else is pure e-penis measuring.
     
  17. GrumpyBear

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    AMEN
     
  18. harsh

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    The key word being "has" as opposed to something future tense.
     
  19. Doug Brott

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    Sure, we'll wait 30 days before we count the extra DIRECTV HD :rolleyes:
     
  20. RobertE

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    If every channel I watch or wish to watch is currently in HD and carried by provider X, any additional ones are not relevant to me. Doesn't matter if that channel is in SD or HD in the past present or future. If I don't watch or want to watch a program on it, I DON'T CARE.
     

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