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DISCUSSION: Timers fire on wrong day

Discussion in 'Other HD Receiver Support Forum (811, 921, 942)' started by JD Robinson, Jul 20, 2005.

  1. TBarclay

    TBarclay AllStar

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    It seems ridiculous that we have to jump through hoops just to get a basic function of the 921 to operate properly. I still have problems with my Letterman timer firing on Sunday night and not on Friday. This has continued even after removing the old timer and making a new one to record the HD version of the show. I have several weekday morning timers that don't have this difficulty. It only seems to affect late night weekday timers. I also have a problem with my weekly recording of HBO's Entourage trying to record on Saturday rather than Sunday. This has been going on long enough that there should be a fix. What's the problem? Will this ever work properly without nightly reboots, eye of newts and turning around and touching our noses???????
     
  2. saylorman

    saylorman Cool Member

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    I have had it with these, and now I have missed a very important part 2episode. I have deleted, and rebuilt timers for the last 3 updates, and it continues to happen. I wish that dish would just cut their losses, and replace the 921 with the new box. WIll this ever happen?
    Very annoyed
    Ken
     
  3. Dithermaster

    Dithermaster Mentor

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    I just had this happen to me, and here's the data, in case it helps solving this:

    1. I have timers for Friday night, SciFi channel (122): SG-1 at 7pm, Atlantis at 8 pm and Battlestar at 9 pm.

    2. I also have a timer at 9 pm on an SD sat. local (3 WISC). I also have the HD (03-01 and 03-02) mapped, in case that matters, but the basic channel (3) is fed from the sat. and not antenna.

    3. We sat down to watch TV Thurday night, and when we turned it on, it was recording SciFi channel. It said it was Atlantis, and there was already an SG-1 in the PVR list. Both had descriptions from Friday's guide data, but contents were something else (Tremors 3 I think). I let them finish and I deleted them. I don't recall, but ch. 3 might have recorded too. If it did, I erased that recording too.

    4. Paranoid that I might miss my Friday recordings, I turned on the TV Friday night shortly after 7 pm and SG-1 *WAS* recording, as did Atlantis and Battlestar and I'm pretty sure ch. 3 (it's a timer for a show that's not currently on, so I probably deleted it).

    ///d@
     
  4. lpickup

    lpickup Legend

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    Jul 12, 2005
    Well, knock on wood, but with L270, I believe that all my timers (at least the ones I really care about) have fired correctly for the past 5 days. This is significant--I think the previous record was 2 days. Still, there was nothing in the release notes that says they addressed this problem (okay, maybe it was enough to say there was nothing in the release notes!), so I'm not really in "trust" mode, but it is encouraging.

    ...Lance
     
  5. TBarclay

    TBarclay AllStar

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    2.70 didn't change a thing with my timers. Still had a problem with Letterman "trying" to record on Sunday night. Of course, just before 2.70 installed, I had a timer start and then not end until I caught it the next day. The 14-hour HD recording wiped out all of the HD shows I had saved (including last year's Olympics and the Rose Parade). I'm really not happy with my 921 these days.
     
  6. Skates

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    My problem has actually gotten worse. I used to be plagued only by the Monday "Nightline" timer firing on Sunday, but last night (Thursday), all my Friday night timers attempted to fire.

    I did a manual reboot as I determined my box had not rebooted itself in the past few days (I check the PIP window position daily).
     
  7. lpickup

    lpickup Legend

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    Jul 12, 2005
    Started getting some early timers firing on Sunday (for Monday). I guess that makes it about 8 days that it actually worked. And it's actually only a few timers that are firing early (as opposed to most).

    ...Listen to me...I've stooped to the point of being somewhat satisfied with a slight improvement in this really nasty bug!

    ...Lance
     
  8. revenson

    revenson Cool Member

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    Jan 31, 2003
    This is one problem I never had now with 270 Monday timers tried to fire and were canceling my sunday timers due to overlap on ota. Luckily I was watching at the time but this is horrible! :mad:
     
  9. Alpaca Bill

    Alpaca Bill Legend

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    Jun 17, 2005
    I too never had this issue until last night. 3 of my timers set for Mon night fired and recorded on Sun night. I also noticed that while watching one of these shows live, that when I press the "stop" button it displays "LIVE" but when you look in the DVR menu it is still recording. I had to highlight that show in the DVR menu, select it, and then hit "stop" to actually make it stop recording.

    I also had the stuck ascpect ratio problem last night. All my HD channels where being displayed as 4:3 "crunched" images. A smart card reboot fixed that issue and we'll see if it fixed the timers issues.

    I am on L270.
     
  10. BobMurdoch

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    Just to add to the fun....

    When the Giants game started I tried switching from 1080i output to 720p to see if that had any beneficial effect vs. the 1080i (ESPN orginally feeds out a 720p signal).

    Now it looks like the picture has zoomed into the upper left quarter of the screen (The Grey HD bar on the left side now takes up 1/4 of the screen on the left side)

    I then noticed that the stuck aspect ratio was back as well. Not wanting to wait for the 8 minute reboot, I went back to 1080i and watched the rest of the game. I did a hard reboot when I went to bed. I'll check to see if the problem is still occurring.

    Also, switching the HD output has sometimes gone to the other extreme and shrank the picture down to 1/10th actual size until it looks like it belongs in PIP window at the upperleft hand corner.

    Sigh. When do those Mpeg4 receivers come out? If they are based on the 942 architecture they may be more stable. I can hear the D* trolls cackling already at that statement.
     
  11. lpickup

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    Has your receiver every behaved any differently than this? This is "normal" behavior as far as I can tell, and I don't like it. This is one of the few times when I WANT to see a pop-up asking me if I want to stop recording. But alas, all the Stop button appears to do is send you to Live.

    ...Lance
     
  12. Alpaca Bill

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    Lance,

    Yes, in the past when watching a show live but also recording it I could press the "stop" button on the remote and it would stop recording without any pop-up warning like on my 508. It always used to bother me that it did this (no pop-up second chance) on the 921 but now it won't stop the recording. I have 4 kids that have a bedtime of 8pm. Unfortunately several of the shows I like to watch are on during primetime (7-10 pm CST) so I set timers for the shows but I frequently am able to get back to the show before it is over. I start the show over but can usually catch up to live since I can zap the commercials. In the past I then just hit the "stop" button and watch the show live. But I can no longer do this as I have noted. I don't know which way is the "right" or default programming on teh 921 but I know which way I would like it to be...like it is on my 508!
     
  13. lpickup

    lpickup Legend

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    I'll second that.

    ...Lance
     
  14. Bradtothebone

    Bradtothebone Godfather

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    OK, I guess it's time for me to join "the club." I'm not sure my problem is the same one all you guys are having, but here goes:

    AFAIK, I've never had a timer fire on the wrong day (day before). However, since L270 strange things have been happening with timers. Here is an example:

    Monday night, the 921 was set to record "Prison Break" at 8:00 and "Medium" at 9:00 (both OTA), and "Weeds" on Showtime at 9:00. (These are all weekly timers, BTW.) "Prison Break" started at 8:00 on schedule, and the red light stayed on during the 9:00 hour, so I figured everything was fine. We were watching "MNF" on the 6000, so I wasn't paying much attention. Sometime after 10:00, I noticed that the red light was still on, so I checked the DVR menu on the 921 and found out that it was still recording FOX from 8:00, and had totally skipped the other two shows. We were tired and went to bed - I thought I'd look into it on Tuesday night.

    On Tuesday night, "House" was supposed to record at 8:00, and "Boston Public" at 9:00 (OTA), in addtion to "Nip/Tuck" on F/X at 9:00. When we went downstairs at about 8:10, we noticed the red light was not on to record "House." I went into the DVR menu, and found that the two missed weekly timers from the previous night were at the top of the timer list, as if the 921 were going to wait until NEXT week to record anything else.

    I went ahead and deleted those two timers, and rebooted, and the two 9:00 timers (actually one started at 8:59 and the other at 9:00) worked fine.

    Is this what I have to look forward to every week? L270 has been an absolute disaster for me, and my wife, who is really pretty patient, is starting to get irritated. :eek2:

    Brad
     
  15. ayalbaram

    ayalbaram Legend

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    Aug 4, 2003
    My timer for family guy on sunday keeps firing on sat. I've tried deleting and re buliding the db but it has not helped. my soloution has been to get a dvr from my cable company and use that to record anything i really want to see.
     
  16. koralis

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    My timer for Lost just didn't fire last night (Wednesday)... my wife is very ticked. Instead it was recording Thursday's item at that time slot.


    If for some reason you can't find the bug (best guess... memory overrun that screws up the current timer value) and you insist that a reboot is neccessary every day to keep it from happening, then have the DVR reboot itself every day. Here's the logic:

    Code:
    if(CurrentTimeSec - LastRebootTimeSec > 24*60*60)
    {
      if(DVR_is_off  && !WillTimerHappenWithin30Minutes(CurrentTimeSec))
      {
         RebootDVR();
      }
    
    }  
    
     
  17. 4apex

    4apex Cool Member

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    The same exact thing happened to me on the 25th (Sunday). All of my Monday timers were going off, either overwriting the Sunday timers or the Sunday timers were just ignored. Wife was royally P'd off as we didn't record Desperate Housewives in Hi-Def (fortunately I've learned to always have a backup for important stuff so my 721 caught it - this unit has been amazingly stable for the past year, by the way).

    Anyway, I've never experience this until this past Sunday, so I can only attribute it to something in 270. Oh, and another thing... I called Dish Network over a week ago because my hard drive is whining like it's about to die. i was told I'd be called back by the "higher level" tech support within 48 hours. I guess they meant within 48 hours of Christmas.
     
  18. SummitAdvantageRetailer

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    Yeah, can someone post this in a poll? I don't have timers firing one day late, but rather one day early. So if today's Friday, Saturday's timers are firing AND the DVR list the title of the Saturday timer event even though the recorded event is Friday's material and the title is different in the Program Guide. Some setting or programming is flawed. I hope they fix it soon on the next release because recording wrong programming is a NO-NO on a DVR.
     
  19. KKlare

    KKlare Godfather

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    Starting two timers at the same minute is a problem usually resulting in the loss of one program but sometimes, I think, it may get confused about stopping. Not stopping can quickly eat all your disk space -- of course, I/you may have confused AM/PM and really asked for a 13 hour recording. That's giving the machine the benefit of the doubt -- it would be nice if it asked whether you really want to record more than 12 hours.
    Stagger start times by a minute and there will be no problem.
    Missed timers remain at the top of the list until nightly/forced reboot -- nice to find what you won't see.
    My recent problem is getting a manual recording started when the 921 fails the timer. It says conflict with the timer and you cannot delete the timer because it is "running." Catch 22. And when you start a manual, you cannot go to the DVR list and watch something else.
    -Ken
     
  20. BobaBird

    BobaBird EKB Editor

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    It would really be nice if their 921 recalculated the record duration after you leave the start/stop fields and before you hit Create like their 501 does.
     

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