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Dish 500 - Hawaiian Style

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by rbgator95, Jul 9, 2009.

  1. rbgator95

    rbgator95 Mentor

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    Kenblock50: Is Dish charging you the extra $6/month for Hawaii configuration, since you are not using a 500H or 500HW?
     
  2. Kenblock50

    Kenblock50 New Member

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    Dish is not charging me the $6.00 a month. Since I supplied the dish and did the installation myself there is no extra monthly charge. I get the impression that all new customers in Hawaii are getting the Dish 500H as part of their installation and are charged the $6.00 fee.
     
  3. Kenblock50

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    Ever since I installed My three dish Hawaii system I have had intermittent trouble getting my program guide updates. I have tried all the recommended procedures to get the updates. Nothing seemed to work. When the receivers would begin to update the activity would stop in 20 seconds with no update. I theorized that the problem had something to do with the fact that we do not get any odd transponders on 129 in Hawaii and the program guide is on an odd tranceiver. The other day I ran into Ron The Satellite Guy while he was on a call in my neighborhood. He suggested I do a check switch with the alternate box checked. When I did this the check swith did an extra step that detected the fact that I had even transponders and one spot beam. I followed the new check switch procedure on all of my receivers and the program guide downloaded perfectly on the first try. It seems that no one at Dish support nows about this. IT is interestin that reception is verified on all LNB's but the one for the 129 LNB is colored red.
     
  4. HoTat2

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    Interesting;

    Though with all due respect to James and others who may hold this view, I never really understood it that way.

    Since the dish's diameter is larger for increased gain due to the weaker signal area in Hawaii, and assuming the same F/D ratio is to be maintained, the focal length of a parabolic reflector to the LNBF must be increased as well by the same proportion.

    So for a multi-sat dish which receives both satellites off-axis, the two focal points for 110 and 119 are now further apart than for the domestic D500 due to the longer focal length. Therefore the feedhorns of the LNBFs must be spaced further apart as well by that same amount.
     
  5. P Smith

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    Pure ray tracing idea ... angles are slightly different and a focal point is far for bigger dish.
    Sats slots still the same, just taking in account you ground station position.
     
  6. Jim5506

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    Since Hawai'i is much further south that the continental US, the angle between 110 and 119 is greater there than it is in North America (you are slightly closer the satellites than we are), so, your lnbs need to be further apart or the dish needs to be moved closer to them (you might try a stack of washers on the back of the reflector - I haven't the slightest idea how many - trial and error I guess).
     
  7. HoTat2

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    But if what you're saying is true, then that would mean if the D500H was installed somewhere in the CONUS, it wouldn't work. As the 110 and 119 focal points would miss their respective feedhorn throats on the LNBFs.

    Now, I've only been a DIRECTV sub. but its a similar situation with their Alaska/Hawaii dish solution. A larger 1.2m dish reflector with a longer focal length and correspondingly increased physical spread between the 99, 101, and 103 feedhorns as well as with the 110 and 119 LNBFs on the (now seldom used) 110/119 1.2m companion dish over their CONUS versions.

    Yet I know for a fact both these dishes work here on the mainland U.S. with the expected increased signal strengths due to their greater gain and higher signal power levels of the satellite footprints as opposed to them on the territory of Hawaii or Alaska.

    I really think in lieu of the satellites some 23,500 mi. distance, (from earth's center) the angular separation between them as seen from earth shouldn't vary significantly with the observer's latitude or longitude to have to spread the LNB feedhorns like this. But is necessary for an increased diameter multisat dish with a longer focal length to maintain the same F/D ratio.
     

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