1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Dish 811 and Sony 50" lcd

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by rixter67, Feb 4, 2004.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Feb 4, 2004 #1 of 14
    rixter67

    rixter67 New Member

    3
    0
    Jan 12, 2004
    What should the setup be in the 811 HDTV setup? I currently have it set to 16:9 and 1080i, is this correct? Also, I can change the aspect (normal, zoom, stretch) within both the 811 and the Sony. Which device is better at doing this?

    Thanks
     
  2. Feb 4, 2004 #2 of 14
    BIGJEFF

    BIGJEFF Cool Member

    14
    0
    Jan 12, 2004
    Which Sony 50" lcd do you have? I have the GWII, and have my 811 connected via Component to Video 5 and have the 811 output 16:9 & 720p (that is the tv's "native" resolution.) The TV should default to "FULL" mode when fed a HD signal. You can use the 811's zoom modes if you want to. Doesnt do too bad of a job in "Partial Zoom" for sd stuff.


    Hope that helps.

    Jeff
     
  3. Feb 4, 2004 #3 of 14
    willy

    willy Legend

    238
    0
    Jan 7, 2004
    I think you'll find a drastically improved picture when outputting 1080i from the 811... no matter what the TV's native resolution.

    The TV will automatically scale the 1080i from the 811 to 720p to accomodate its native resolution. If you set the 811 to 720p- you are using a scaler that is so bad, the quality is not even HD anymore.

    Its suspected that the 811 is not outputting HD on the 720p setting- it maybe first downconverting to 480p, then upconverting to 720p. Look at the 811 thread (sticky) for info here- many also notice this.
     
  4. Feb 4, 2004 #4 of 14
    Ron Barry

    Ron Barry 622 Tips & Trick Keeper

    9,881
    0
    Dec 10, 2002
    I have an 60" GWII and I tried both the component and the DVI outputs. I agree with Willy on setting it to 1080i. I got a tade better quailty on the DVI but PQ is always highly subjective. I still need to do some tweaking and calibration so my feeling is my PQ will improve even more.

    My suggestion is going DVI with 1080i. I also improved my PQ by using a Power conditionar.
     
  5. Feb 4, 2004 #5 of 14
    BIGJEFF

    BIGJEFF Cool Member

    14
    0
    Jan 12, 2004
    I have my HTPC connected to the DVI, so need to use one of the component inputs for the 811. I'll have to try the 1080i output and see if there is a difference with the "true" HD programming - not the HBO upscaled crap. My HTPC does a better job than HBO.

    I also have both the 811 and GWII connected to a Power Conditioner (Furman 80 pound sucker) - definitely helps.
     
  6. Feb 5, 2004 #6 of 14
    BIGJEFF

    BIGJEFF Cool Member

    14
    0
    Jan 12, 2004
    OK - checked out the 1080i output from the 811 - definitely looks better than the 720p. Has anyone confirmed that the 811 mucks up the 720p signal?

    The only bad part about keeping it set to 1080i is it makes the SD channels look worse. Program guide looks washed out and jaggy, seems to crush the whites. I have the brightness turned waaaayy down on my set already. Calibrated w/avia and have done umr tweeks.

    Anybody else see this?
     
  7. Feb 5, 2004 #7 of 14
    Ron Barry

    Ron Barry 622 Tips & Trick Keeper

    9,881
    0
    Dec 10, 2002
    Big Jeff how did you calibrate using Avia? Did you calibrate by hooking up a DVD player to the component input of the 811 and then swapped it? I have always wondered if this was a valid calibration mechanism. I also see the guide as being a bit washed out. I have not tried to calibrate yet.. Going to give the HDNET calibration a try next time it is on if I can get up that early..

    I thought about using AVIA through the 811 composite inputs as a first step and then use the HDNET calibration as a final tweak.
     
  8. Feb 5, 2004 #8 of 14
    willy

    willy Legend

    238
    0
    Jan 7, 2004
    BIGJEFF-

    Take a look at the responses in :
    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=21228

    It's a big thread- but many people confirming the 720p "SD" output, the shakey guide at 1080i... all that. Call dish tech support and report it- the more cases of it the higher-priority the fix wil get, presumably.

    I cant watch with 720p output from the 811- to me it is not even close to HD quality.
     
  9. Feb 5, 2004 #9 of 14
    David_Levin

    David_Levin Icon/Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

    1,227
    0
    Apr 22, 2002
    I would assume if the original source is 720p (ABC and ESPN), you'd be better off switching the 811 (and in my case 921) back to 720p.

    A 921 reviewer reported the best SD output with the use set to 420p (again, with the TV doing the scaling).
     
  10. rixter67

    rixter67 New Member

    3
    0
    Jan 12, 2004
    I have the 50" GWIII and the picture to me looks great. I have yet to tweak with my AVIA disk. Do you need to turn down the Picture setting to avoid any premature lamp failure. I remember that you would have to turn down the contrast on RPTV to prevent burn in, is this still the case with LCD? Thanks
     
  11. willy

    willy Legend

    238
    0
    Jan 7, 2004
    LCD/DLP units are not suceptible to burn in-
     
  12. BIGJEFF

    BIGJEFF Cool Member

    14
    0
    Jan 12, 2004
    I did not try to use the composite inputs from the 811 - just went straight into the tv w/ component, then hooked up the 811. I know there will be some differences b/c the source is different, but thought i could adjust those by eye. I am never around when the HDNET calibration comes on. :( I would like to tweak out the 1080i a little. I now find myself switching the 811 from 1080i for HD to 720p for sd. Kind of a PITA, but looks better.

    Rixter: you do not need to turn down the picture setting - it will not affect either bulb life or the LCD's. Check out the UMR tweaks for both the GWII and III over at AVS. I keep my Picture setting at about 95%.
     
  13. Ron Barry

    Ron Barry 622 Tips & Trick Keeper

    9,881
    0
    Dec 10, 2002
    That is what I figured.. But Since I am using the DVI inputs that makes things a bit harder.
     
  14. BIGJEFF

    BIGJEFF Cool Member

    14
    0
    Jan 12, 2004
    Build yourself an HTPC - it'll make your dvd's (almost) look like HD. :D
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page