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Dish and Fisher will they ever?

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by calgary2800, May 14, 2009.

  1. May 23, 2009 #41 of 113
    James Long

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    Subscriber loss has not changed, and is still in the ballpark with DirecTV.
    Last quarter 653,000 customers signed up.
    The lack is nil? There is no lack? (I love double negatives.)

    As Scooper pointed out, it takes two to fight. Fisher is not innocent in this matter. Do you really think a policy of pay anything a provider wants and agree to every deal that crosses the desk is better? Allow companies like Fisher to extort DISH for anything they want for a few local stations?

    I'd like to see DISH get back on the plus side of net subscriber change ... then those who hate the company can find some other data point to attack them on.
     
  2. May 23, 2009 #42 of 113
    phrelin

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    :D The perfect data point to attack Dish Network on is it's failure to get MORE.*

    *per Dictionary.com: "an additional quantity, amount, or number".
     
  3. May 23, 2009 #43 of 113
    archer75

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    Build a HTPC. Or buy a popcorn hour. Download show and enjoy. This fisher thing hasn't affected me at all. ;)

    Still, having followed the issue I have to side with Dish on this one. And if it wasn't dish then direct would be telling fisher where to stick it. Their demands are unreasonable and should fisher win it would set a precedent that would affect TV viewing for all sat and cable providers. No matter what service you have now you want Dish to win.
     
  4. May 24, 2009 #44 of 113
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    No doubt it takes two to fight. It's Charlie versus the world. Charlie fights everyone. Charlie has more disputes than the rest of America put together.

    Also, I simply do not believe that Fisher situation the way you do. I have talked first hand with folks at Fisher who flatly tell me that they agreed to Dish's compensation package. Have you done any independent research and analysis? Where there seems to be an issue is the alleged back pay for some other stations, unlrelated to my own. It appears both companies have their own version of this that will be reconciled in a courtroom (or perhaps a mediation?) So that will be resolved.....why put every single viewer in the silly situation? If Fisher wins the back payment comes. If Dish wins the back payment doesn't come. But how does throwing every customer under the bus help Dish?

    The result is the fact that Dish is signing up a few customers here and there at this silly $9.99 rate and losing existing customers at the higher end. You can read whatever you want into the subscriber numbers, but the sign up offer is $9.99 and the people leaving are out of contract, so they are paying the maximum. Seems like a poor business model to me.
     
  5. May 24, 2009 #45 of 113
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    There is also a concept called "economies of scale." There are certain fixed costs that any operator has no matter how many subscribers. Variable costs can be controlled here. Maybe the concept is over your head, not sure. But it is basic economic theory.
     
  6. May 24, 2009 #46 of 113
    archer75

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    Of course they said that. But it was Fisher that started this with VERY unreasonable demands. I imagine Dish wants to set a precedent for this so this ridiculousness isn't tried by other local channels.

    In the beginning fisher's demands were very unreasonable. I don't know where they are at, at this moment. But you can talk to people on both sides and neither side is in the wrong.
     
  7. May 24, 2009 #47 of 113
    harsh

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    And Fisher likely told you part of the story (which was true). They didn't tell you the part about why the channels still aren't available. Some would call this an oversight and others would call it a sin of omission.

    Get more background by searching for KUNP and other Univision properties that Fisher commands.
     
  8. May 24, 2009 #48 of 113
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    I do agree with you on one point - Dish wants to set an example.

    I am not sure that in the begining Fisher's demands were unreasonable. That's what Charlie wants you to believe.

    I am awaiting the resolution of the court case. I should check out the court file and see what is going on. Anyone can get access to court documents and it would be interesting via Pacer for a fee. Some probably are redacted.
     
  9. May 24, 2009 #49 of 113
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    And you are the world's expert at this dispute from your living room scanning the internet? Sorry, I just can't buy your expertise
     
  10. May 24, 2009 #50 of 113
    archer75

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    They wanted to be paid as a cable channel. A free over the air channel. Free to carry. That's not only unreasonable, that's ridiculous. And if they get away with that it's going to change everything for everyone.

    And you are an expert because someone told you something to make themselves look good and you were gullible enough to buy it? Hmmm...
     
  11. May 24, 2009 #51 of 113
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    Not only paid as a cable channel, but they wanted back compensation for channels they bought that were already being carried by Dish.

    At this point, the compensation rate is probably something both sides can live with. It's this back-compensation that is the real sticking point and the reason it's tied up in court. If Fisher would drop this and drop the lawsuit, I'd bet an agreement would happen pretty quick.

    IMO.
     
  12. May 24, 2009 #52 of 113
    Paul Secic

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    Watch ABC shows http://www.hulu.com. Great shows and interface. The heck with Fisher!
     
  13. May 24, 2009 #53 of 113
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    First, I am not claiming to be an expert like yourself. Second, I am not disputing the overall issue about whether retransmission is proper or not. My issue is that it is not proper to put the end customer in this mess. That's what I have said from the begining. You are just rambling on and on
     
  14. May 24, 2009 #54 of 113
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    That's the underlying issue. Since both sides believe their interpretation of the contract is the correct one they'll seek redress in court. But their customers in the interim period are the ones caught in the middle.
     
  15. May 24, 2009 #55 of 113
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    I would either switch to Directv and get a new subscriber deal with them, or add the most basic cable package you can get...and send the bill to Charley (just kidding). Some people will add a $9.99 type basic package which will get you your locals in both SD and HD. And food for thought, if Charley is willing to fight Fisher, which contracts are up next?

    Btw, LOST Season 5 will be on Blu-ray Dec. 8. The show even looks better on Blu-ray than it does in its original broadcast! The first two seasons are coming out June 18, and seasons 3 & 4 are currently available.
     
  16. May 24, 2009 #56 of 113
    harsh

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    As you've been so very careful to point out, Charlie makes an example of anyone who is willing to tilt and the Ergen windmill. It isn't like he's picking on anyone.
     
  17. May 24, 2009 #57 of 113
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    Basically - if Fisher didn't notify Dish that they now owned the stations in question immediately upon completing the purchase and requested they be changed to the existing Fisher contract - Fisher messed up and should not get the back compensation. By doing the course they did - they were accepting the stations existing arraingements (and if they were Must Carry - Fisher would have had to cover the cost of getting them to Dish's POP).

    And yes - it is viewers who can't receive the Fisher stations OTA that are caught in the middle - so sorry for them. They could always try the All American Direct route for Distant networks.
     
  18. May 25, 2009 #58 of 113
    calgary2800

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    When is this soap opera going to court?
     
  19. May 25, 2009 #59 of 113
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    And you know this how? You've read the contracts, the law, and made the decision for the judge already? Your opinion is simply your opinion.

    If it is that cut and dry then the issue would be resolved already. You are another one of those armchair quarterbacks who sit in the house and critique anything and everything, but know everything.

    I've simply said from the start that both sides feel they are right and the court will make it's conclusion. It's also fact that Charlie has disputes with everyone. Remember that kid growing up that couldn't get along with anyone? That's Charlie Ergen. He's been involved in more lawsuits than anyone else in the history of the USA (I don't know that for a fact, but it sure seems that way).

    All American Direct does not work for folks in the metro area.

    In the meantime Charlie looses customers....
     
  20. May 25, 2009 #60 of 113
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    God only knows....
     

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