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Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by TNGTony, Dec 21, 2006.
Cool... I'll go ahead and give it a shot. Can't hurt anything by trying.
So do you guys think the name change of HD Bronze, Silver, etc is just a marketing thing or did they change it for some other reason.
I'm curious about this one... My guess is they don't want people associating Bronze or Silver with a "cheap" package and that's why they're going with AT100+HD.
Whatcha guys thinking?
IMHO they are trying to lose Platinum which would have a price point over $100.
Then again we have spent the past year trying to explain the medal/metal packages and have had some confusion over the Bronze=AT60+HD issue. It seems easier to use the definition as the name than to use the name. The channel count based names have worked well for the past few years. Might as well keep using them,
Did I just see an announced price roll back on AEP from CES 2007? $79.99. If so the Platinum users will not be seeing a $10 increase.
I was just thinking the same thing myself. Can anyone confirm the $79.99 price? Or is that the non-updated price (and w/o locals, of course)?
Current price is $84.99 ... Should be going to $89.99 unless E* changed it's plans.
What happens to me, I have the AEP package but no HD will my bill go up too. I am usint the 721.
Thanks for your replys.
Apparently the $79.99 price was a quote from Charlie at the press conference, and we all know how accurate he is.
so does anyone know what the price change is really going to be??
The retailers were apparently told + $5, making AEP $89.99. They have not told us yet.
BTW: The slides at CES had the new $42.99 price for AT200 listed.
It is obvious that you will see no one elses points but your own. I guess that is why you are the Super Moderater. Feel free to continue to cut down your posters here if it disagrees with your Dish belief system. I too love Dish, but I am not afraid to discuss their faults too, in hopes they will see them and change them. As a 10 year Dish subscriber with #3 dish accounts I have earned the right to say what I feel about their price increases. They must have listened about the extra fees as they have now added the Dish dvr advantage with NO EXTRA FEES!
You can continue to post only what you want to believe and down the rest of us that disagree. It doesn't change my beliefs . Although I am a little disappointed in you, since I held you in high regard as someone who was very well aquainted with Dish and their practices. I would hope that this forum would allow ALL views even when they disagree with you own. But you have proved me wrong. I now withdraw from this thread. It is all yours.
It isn't about my position at the forum ... read HDMe's posts.
E* has faults. One of them has been charging Bronze, Silver and Gold customers more for the same HD content that Platinum customers. In fact, Bronze and Silver customers get LESS HD for $20 than you got for the extra $15 (no National Geo). Plenty of things wrong with that. Yet your complaint is because the playing field is leveling? (Except the DVR fees that AEP+HD customers still won't have to pay.)
You can say what you want about price increases. You have said it often. All of those posts still exist on this forum. No censorship. Now it seems that you want to silence anyone who shares the opposite viewpoint. That isn't going to happen either. Your viewpoint is accepted here but, respectfully, we get it. There is no need to post it again.
If you want a litany of E*'s failures I can give them --- but this isn't the appropriate thread.
Thats a silly argument. It's the same thing as saying people who subscribe to just HBO are paying more for it than people on the everything pak. It's called a package discount. If your paying for top tier package they give you a slight discount. Think of it as a volume discount. They still make more money off someone subscribing to Platinum than someone subscribing to Gold so knocking $5 off the cost might get some people to subscribe to platinum that might not have otherwise.
I think sometimes folks with tunnel vision not only cannot look outside their point of view but also tend to only see one "enemy" out to get them. I've seen several posts by more than one other person indicating they understand the pricing.
Note I've also said I don't like price increases, but I understand them... and I always encourage folks to vote with their wallets. In essence, since I don't complain and don't cancel I am effectively supporting price increases... but that just means it hasn't gotten bad enough for me to think about it.
I'm also well aware that I could post (like some folks do) the exact same message in every thread multiple times a day until my face turns blue and that effects no change in policies that I might disagree with either.
It's not like forum users voted for a price increase and Dish "listened" to our demands
I've noted a couple of times, and notice no real reply to it... that none of the folks up in arms about the "$10 price increase" to the Everything pack were making similar daily posts all last year thanking Dish for the extra $5 discount. You'd think they would be similarly appreciative for the extra discount all that time, but apparently not.
You've missed the point entirely.
The "Everything pack" is basically the Dish Gold (until Feb when everything changes again) + all the movie packages + a couple of extra channels. The discount given to "Everything" customers is already factored into them not paying the same price for all the Premiums individually.
A Dish Gold customer could subscribe to each Premium individually and pay $10-$15 per Premium... which would be like $40+ more cost vs the discount given to the "Everything" Platinum customer for buying those premiums. This is always the incentive for the "Everything" pack... you get discounted Premiums beyond what others pay. You also get a few extra channels (like NBATV) that normally would cost more to get... AND you get NO DVR FEEs if you have a DVR, which everyone else pays $5.98 per DVR.
So... all those discounts.... and to boot last year they threw in another $5 bonus just to be nice! And now, they are taking that one $5 bonus discount away again to make things like they were for the past years... and suddenly some folks are crying and whining about it.
I saw no "thank you Dish" threads all last year for that extra $5 bonus... in fact, you could argue instead of a bonus they just didn't raise the HD rates on Platinum like they did for other customers... Like this year where they are not raising AT60 or DishFamily rates like others... But next year, AT60 and DishFamily will go up more in line with where things are now... so I guess we get to hear those folks complain next December?
Maybe Dish should have just raised Platinum in the beginning instead of giving you folks the extra bonus discount all year... at least that way we wouldn't be hearing all the moaning about it now.
Why does everybody have to cry whenever there is an increase? Unlike other providers dish has the increase only once a year and has maintained it lower than anyone else. Stop whinning and realize the value you are getting!!!!!
It's very hard to to feel sorry for people who complain about the $5 extra increase with the "almost everything" package when they are already paying far less than they should because "I" (and others like me) subsidize those zillion channels by being forced to subscribe to a huge number of unwanted channels.
Each year the price will rise faster than inflation. Each year we will B-tch and moan about it and each year the same people will ask for ala-cart and the channel counters will cry how cheap the zillion channels are per channel.
This will come to a head eventually. There are already far too many channels for the programming we have and once cable gets it's act together they will win for one reason...
They can provide Phone, Internet and Pay TV on one wire and provide bulk discounts. I hate cable and will never forget that they did not upgrade their systems until they were forced to and provided crappy service for big bucks.
Now if the phone companies get their act together they can also be in the picture but satellite is basically one-way and will always be such. If the FCC would have allowed the Dish-DTV merger then the cost savings (One bird can send down programming for one or a zillion people at the same cost) would have helped in the long run but the Cable bribes killed the merger and both Dish and DTV and slowly headed toward a burst. Think about all the wasted $$$ they were forced to do by having two identical sets of sats up in the sky - 1 for Dish and 1 for DTV and either set could serve the entire country. All that $$$ wasted yet the FCC does nothing about the real problem which is the programmers monopolistic practices and anti-competitive behavior.
Once Cable/Phone Companies upgrade to fiber how can satellite compete?
When I add up the cost of Phone Service, Internet and Pay TV I get:
1. Phone = $50
2. Pay TV = $75 (Dish)
3. Internet = $30
= $165 a month
Now if one wire can provide all of this on one bill for $99 for the first year and $120 after then how can you pass this up? Even after the first year you would be saving $45 a month or $540 a year!
Now is having a better DVR worth $540 a year? I love my 622 but $540 a year.
BTW I'm just thinking out loud here and I welcome your comments. I keep getting these $99 a month ($120 after first year) deals from Comcast. I hate Comcast but I like my $$$
$99 is "very" tempting and I wonder if I would bite if I did not still have 12 months left on my 622 contract.
We will see if Dish's new price structure helps the situation but let me tell you this... I read a rumor that the new price structure is only for new subscribers... if this is the case it will be yet another nail in the coffin.
The price change is REALLY going to be what was posted in the first post on this humongo-thread. More details here http://ekb.dbstalk.com/rateincrease2007.htm
AEP by itself is going up $5
AT120/200 and AT180/250 are going up $3 each.
AT60/100 is not changing.
Bronze, Silver, Gold and Platinum packs are GONE...they will no longer exist. Finito. Sionara. No more.
The HD pack is going to cost $20 when added to any AT, DL or Great Wall package, $29 + $6 HD enabling fee without.
It's that simple.
That is the end of that though. What follows is a completely different though with no connection to the stuff above...
There are NEW packages being created called "DVR advantage Packs. They have a different price stucture and require long-term commitments. IOW, You get a discount for signing up for 18 months. If you cancel before the commitment is up for any reason whatw-so-ever, you pay a penalty.
Until Feb 1
HD Platinum $99.99 Price includes DVR Fees.
If purchased individually (if no Platinum Package)
AT180 $49.99 + HD Pack $20 + MegaMovie Pack $37.99 = $107.98 + $5.98 per DVR receiver
After February 1
AEP + HD Pack = $109.99 (Includes DVR Fees) - Platinum name disapears
If purchased individually
AT250 $52.99 + HD Pack $20 + MegaMovie Pack $40 = $112.99 + $5.98 per DVR
Take that for what its worth
Cable did that for one reason and one reason alone: There was no competition. There was no reason what so ever to improve PQ or offerings. It was either cable or rabbit ears. Satellite providers changed all that and forced cable to upgrade to be competitive. Now the shoe is on the other foot. Cable with their bundled services offer far more for far less. Satellite providers are now at a distinct disadvantage and really have just two options available: hook up with existing telco's to offer internet and phone(which both have done to limited success. And now that the telco's are doing their own thing with FIOS, that option is quickly coming to an end) and secondly, drop subscription prices well below cable. Satellite has yet to do that, but they must in the future if this business is to survive. Satellite is getting backed into a very tight corner by cable and now the emerging FIOS. If FIOS is able to penetrate the major markets and Satellite remains on it's current course, I do foresee the day when satellite will be reduced to a niche market only serving those in rural America who have no other choice. I do also see a merger of both D* and E* in the near term. There's already talk about sharing between the two. I believe that both D* and E* see the future and their limitations to expand the customer base over the long term. And it's not good.