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Dish AutoHop vs Networks Commercial Skipping Discussion

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by phrelin, May 15, 2012.

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  1. Jun 2, 2012 #441 of 695
    SayWhat?

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    Always got a kick out of that. Messages like storm warning and school/business/road closures that are important enough to scroll over network programs aren't important enough to scroll over hair club or feminine hygiene commercials. :sure:
     
  2. Jun 2, 2012 #442 of 695
    Laxguy

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    Ain't that the truth! :sure:

    So, thanks, James for the specifics.

    To me, my guess that Dish may have to do some special encoding seems very likely. And if networks, or other providers play hardball, impossible to do real time. Again, another- or perhaps primary-reason why there's a 24 hour delay in using that feature.
     
  3. Jun 2, 2012 #443 of 695
    Jaspear

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    It's not 24 hours. AH is available at 1 AM, two hours after PTAT ends each night. My guess is the primary reason for the delay to 1 AM is to get AH beyond the live+same day ratings. The networks won't be able to have it both ways in court, claiming it unduly impacts ratings while relying on live+same day for the majority of their ad revenue.
     
  4. Jun 2, 2012 #444 of 695
    goinsleeper

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    Hopper = HD DVR
    AutoHop = skips commercials

    Am I wrong in seeing this as two different things?
     
  5. Jun 2, 2012 #445 of 695
    Laxguy

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    Thanks for the clarification. Your guess may well be the main reason, but unless someone can disprove my theory, I am sticking to it! :nono2:
     
  6. Jun 2, 2012 #446 of 695
    James Long

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    Perhaps ... there are tech reasons to wait until 1am (allowing the commercial breaks to be adjusted before sending the instructions to the receivers). Live plus same day counts playback up until 3am so if DISH wants to play that card they may want to delay when AutoHOP is available. :)

    You're not wrong ... although the Hopper is more than a simple DVR and has features that land between the realm of DVR and AutoHOP commercial skipping.

    AutoHOP seems to be the problem feature. If DISH placed it on other receivers it would still be a problem for the networks.
     
  7. Jun 2, 2012 #447 of 695
    phrelin

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    Anyone here ever tried Autohop at 1:01 AM?
     
  8. Jun 2, 2012 #448 of 695
    James Long

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    Yes ... And one day last week I had to wait until 1:30am for AutoHOP to be available. (Sorry, I forgot to start a "this receiver is a piece of crap - autohop wasn't available until 1:30am 30 minutes LATE !!!! - I want a new receiver and a full months refund" thread to complain about it.)
     
  9. Jun 2, 2012 #449 of 695
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    !rolling
     
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    :rolling:
     
  11. Jun 2, 2012 #451 of 695
    Laxguy

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    Oh, go ahead; it won't be even close to being the worst of that category! :nono2:

    I am guessing that it's one a.m. local time for everyone?

    I am rooting for Dish to prevail on all counts, but still wonder what the overall effect will be on programming over the next ten years if it's widely adopted.
     
  12. Jun 3, 2012 #452 of 695
    Stewart Vernon

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    We should be thankful it is 1am his time... unless he is on Denver time. I forget where James is.

    I find a lot of things we expect to happen at midnight don't happen until 3am... so I would have expected 3am to be the earliest for AutoHOP to become functional.

    I'm waiting for the bobby-sox commercial for AutoHOP... "let's go to the HOP"

    Also... for some reason I thought about "what if" Apple had come up with this... and named it iHOP :)
     
  13. Jun 3, 2012 #453 of 695
    Laxguy

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    Bada-bing! :hurah: That's actually PDG.

    You can rock n roll n yada yada,
    At the hop!
     
  14. Jun 3, 2012 #454 of 695
    Nick

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    If we all meet at IHOPs across the nation at exactly 1:01 a.m., that should fix it. I don't have the Harper but I'm happy to help.

    BTW, where does a one-legged waitress work?* :scratch:

    (*with an appreciative nod to Jake Harper)
     
  15. Jun 3, 2012 #455 of 695
    James Long

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    I believe it is 1am local ... I am only in one time zone. Any west coast subscribers getting AutoHOP before 1am PT?

    BTW: My location is to the left of every post. I suppose if you forgot the how far north part you might put me in central time, but most of that line in the US is eastern time.
     
  16. Jun 3, 2012 #456 of 695
    harsh

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    How would the implement such a scheme? The overhead would surely be substantial and trying to get it deployed across the nation would surely take a long time.

    Syncronizing digital streams is exceedingly problematic as the various decodes, encodes and multiplexes take differing amounts of time from one setup to the next. Having to put time codes in the stream is something new that would require readers to ferret the data out and software to act on the flags.

    What you propose is by no means trivial or even possible without absolutely everyone's cooperation and investment in the process.
     
  17. Jun 3, 2012 #457 of 695
    Laxguy

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    No. While not trivial, it's quite possible to do with complete transparency as far as the end user goes. Dish has the capability to do it with no help from anyone else.
     
  18. Jun 3, 2012 #458 of 695
    phrelin

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    Since there are over 450 posts before this one, I am just assuming no one outside Echostar/Dish really knows how Dish does this.

    What crossed my mind is the thought that whatever was added to implement the C.A.L.M (Commercial Advertisement Loudness Mitigation) rule might have been a signal that somehow could be used.

    I just have to believe that some engineer at some station is experimenting - lengthening the dead air space at the end of a commercial by a few seconds, then checking out his Hopper setup, eliminating signals from the video feed before retransmitting, etc.

    I know that the retransmission of network shows by local stations are not perfectly synchronized in the entire Pacific Time Zone. Local ads are inserted, sometimes in error or out of order. Network promo slots are used for local ads but sometimes you see pieces of the promo at the beginning or end.

    Local stations could eliminate a whole promo ad, starting back into the show 15 seconds earlier than scheduled.
     
  19. Jun 3, 2012 #459 of 695
    inkahauts

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    I believe that back int he day when replaytv had this feature they where able to pick up the change in the signal from the show to the commercials. I would think that dish is doping something similar, because it has to be something that is present in all channels of any kind.

    It's funny, dish is trying to make commercials disappear, and DIRECTV has already rolled out in some markets (and slowly is adding more and more) the ability to show local ads on cable channels to add additional revenue. I don't think they could be moving in much more opposite directions in this regard. Charlie is essentially learning and figuring out how to cut revenue streams, and DIRECTV is adding them.
     
  20. Jun 3, 2012 #460 of 695
    tampa8

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    I know and I posted it.
     
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